new mustang slower than old 5.0, bad wheel hop

[Q'smuscle]

Originally Posted by 87GNX

Now you are talkin!

Hahaha....

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by BobDigi5060

I wouldn't call 1 1/2 seconds faster around the track a spanking, but I think it goes to show that the C5 is still the better package. Ford knows where they stand and I hope they can win some battles in the future besides straight line performance. Looking back, Camaro lost few battles over the last 5 years and won the War... Walked away with it if you ask me because there was no answer to the Z/28. The new Mustang is great, but still, for a Mustang lol.

Rather than take the piss out of Mustang6 engineers, I would like to take the time and give all credit to those that were involved in developing the Camaro and the packages that came with it... Back to the drawing board, again! It doesnt effect me, but this has got to hurt for some. The 5th gen will now reach legendary status. Retro, edgy, good looks, and the most rounded modern day classic money can buy. You can have it all if your driving one of these.

It may not sound like much, but for a mile and a half road course that's a pretty big difference. As I've always heard it, anything more than about half a second on a typical road course isn't considered to be all that close.

[xc_SS/RS]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

It may not sound like much, but for a mile and a half road course that's a pretty big difference. As I've always heard it, anything more than about half a second on a typical road course isn't considered to be all that close.

Exactly stretch that to a longer track such as the Nurburgring and you're talking over 12 second difference. A second per mile is huge in terms of a gap generated.

[WHAMMO]

Originally Posted by BobDigi5060

I wouldn't call 1 1/2 seconds faster around the track a spanking .

You are wrong.

[WHAMMO]

Originally Posted by rebelyell22

http://www.mustang6g.com/?p=2992 ..... That car is no slouch

107mph is weak and that 12.8x time considering the trap speed is optimal. But dont know what the DA was.

They tested a 12' to a 15' and the 12' did 12.9@110 and the 15' 13.1@109. I think it really shows whats the real story. Welcome to the IRS world, Ford.

The car is still new and lets wait for some for real world data at local tracks around the country..

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by WHAMMO

107mph is weak and that 12.8x time considering the trap speed is optimal. But dont know what the DA was.

They tested a 12' to a 15' and the 12' did 12.9@110 and the 15' 13.1@109. I think it really shows whats the real story. Welcome to the IRS world, Ford.

The car is still new and lets wait for some for real world data at local tracks around the country..

they had to work hard for that 13.1 too. the car wanted to run mid 13's.

[1QwikZ28]

Originally Posted by WHAMMO

107mph is weak and that 12.8x time considering the trap speed is optimal. But dont know what the DA was.

They tested a 12' to a 15' and the 12' did 12.9@110 and the 15' 13.1@109. I think it really shows whats the real story. Welcome to the IRS world, Ford.

The car is still new and lets wait for some for real world data at local tracks around the country..

Uhhh, you are forgetting that IRS was introduced to the Mustang long before it made its way to the Camaro...you are welcomed.

[BobDigi5060]

Originally Posted by WHAMMO

You are wrong.

Never been on a road course, maybe I was downplaying this as much as I could.

Imo, Ford bottled it in this first model year. I'll be surprised if a GT350 can outrun the Z/28.

50 years is HUGE, this car is virtually the same size as the last model, but slightly heavier due to an IRS. Now that the performance numbers are in I just feel slightly cheated. It lost some originality with that front end. Mind you this is a first model year against a 15' Camaro, but imo this car should have made a big impact. Seriously, how is the all new Mustang still getting beat by the last generation Camaro? As a car guy I'm just a little let down (styling, size, weight gain, performance).

Someone putting together the Camaro6 has got to be laughing their butt off and Mustang engineers out to be shaking their heads.... 911 and M4 as the benchmark has never sounded so ridiculous.

Camaro6 should be a killer.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by 1QwikZ28

Uhhh, you are forgetting that IRS was introduced to the Mustang long before it made its way to the Camaro...you are welcomed.

Performance begins and ends with the Mustang in Ford land. Chevy's well is much deeper. IRS 54 years ago in Corvair, 51 years ago in Corvette.

The Camaro is a track star because the shared knowledge within the family

[Q'smuscle]

Originally Posted by BobDigi5060

Never been on a road course, maybe I was downplaying this as much as I could.

Imo, Ford bottled it in this first model year. I'll be surprised if a GT350 can outrun the Z/28.

50 years is HUGE, this car is virtually the same size as the last model, but slightly heavier due to an IRS. Now that the performance numbers are in I just feel slightly cheated. It lost some originality with that front end. Mind you this is a first model year against a 15' Camaro, but imo this car should have made a big impact. Seriously, how is the all new Mustang still getting beat by the last generation Camaro? As a car guy I'm just a little let down (styling, size, weight gain, performance).

Someone putting together the Camaro6 has got to be laughing their butt off and Mustang engineers out to be shaking their heads.... 911 and M4 as the benchmark has never sounded so ridiculous.

Camaro6 should be a killer.

Nicely put again! Lol... You ain't never lied ! Hahaha

[ilirg]

I have to extend a virtual handshake to bobdigi, man enough to give credit where credit is due even if it goes against his preferred brand.

[2010-1SS-IBM]

Originally Posted by BobDigi5060

Never been on a road course, maybe I was downplaying this as much as I could.

Imo, Ford bottled it in this first model year. I'll be surprised if a GT350 can outrun the Z/28.

50 years is HUGE, this car is virtually the same size as the last model, but slightly heavier due to an IRS. Now that the performance numbers are in I just feel slightly cheated. It lost some originality with that front end. Mind you this is a first model year against a 15' Camaro, but imo this car should have made a big impact. Seriously, how is the all new Mustang still getting beat by the last generation Camaro? As a car guy I'm just a little let down (styling, size, weight gain, performance).

Someone putting together the Camaro6 has got to be laughing their butt off and Mustang engineers out to be shaking their heads.... 911 and M4 as the benchmark has never sounded so ridiculous.

Camaro6 should be a killer.

I wouldn't worry too much about it. Ford will tweak it a few ways and you'll see at least some hits. Every generation of these has their versions that do something extraordinary.

[1QwikZ28]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

Performance begins and ends with the Mustang in Ford land. Chevy's well is much deeper. IRS 54 years ago in Corvair, 51 years ago in Corvette.

The Camaro is a track star because the shared knowledge within the family

So it took 50+years for IRS to show up on the Camaro??? Nice. Like I said, Mustang has been there, done that..way before the Camaro did.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by 1QwikZ28

So it took 50+years for IRS to show up on the Camaro??? Nice. Like I said, Mustang has been there, done that..way before the Camaro did.

but did they do it well?