Dodge reveals Hellcat Charger

[rocket403]

Found this on the Charger 10.7 in the 1/4 with drag radials

http://www.gtspirit.com/2014/10/03/d...n-2-9-seconds/

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by shaffe

What was modified on the Hellcat? As far as I know and someone please correct me if I am wrong they aren't out in the publics hands yet are they? Didn't vin 001 just sell at Barret Jackson last weekend

Exactly - pre-production model setup for the track.

Originally Posted by Front Runner

MEDISIN, dude, get a life! Really.

We all know you hate Dodge so what's new? At some point, you make yourself seem petty.

Love Dodge - I've owned more Chrysler products than every other domestic automaker combined.

Originally Posted by newmoon

1st you say the Hellcat was modified-proof? Now you say the V was having multiple problems and the driver wasn't experienced, the problem was a Hellcat put bus lengths on his V.

I wasn't there, were you? Getting information second hand just like you. Yes a modified pre-production Hellokitty put bus lengths on a 3 year old Cadillac wagon that couldn't get into 5th gear. Color me impressed. Where are the Hellkitten/ZL1/1LE/GT500/Boss track comparisons again?? [Crickets]

Originally Posted by rocket403

If you don't like the Dodge's so much stay off the posts, you hate that there are some people on a Camaro site talking about some cars that you can't stand. More and more sounding like a guy that will hate to the end.

Umm this is a Camaro website. Perhaps you can pump your sunshine at Challengertalk. I would LOVE to talk about performance vs its competition. But no one will put one on a track. We've seen what the Hellokitty will do in a straight-line (slower than the GT500 and even slower than the ZL1 manual to manual). You dive into these "Dodge claims X performance..." threads and suddenly disappear when ACTUAL reviews are posted showing the Challenger to be what it is - a big motor in an archaic chassis. Let me know when the Challenger wins Best Drivers Car (or ANY Dodge for that matter).

Originally Posted by rocket403

Found this on the Charger 10.7 in the 1/4 with drag radials

http://www.gtspirit.com/2014/10/03/d...n-2-9-seconds/

Yes, from the article: "Dodge claims the Charger SRT Hellcat...". Just like Dodge claims the Hellokitty Challenger would run 11.2 on factory rubber.

Here are the facts.
MotorTrend: 0-60, 3.7sec; 1/4mile 11.7 @ 125.4mph; 4449lbs automatic
Car&Driver: 0-60, 3.6sec; 1/4mile 11.7 @ 126mph; 4488lbs automatic
Edmunds: 0-60, 4.8sec; 1/4mile 12.5 @ 118.8mph; 4454lbs

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

Exactly - pre-production model setup for the track.

I wasn't there, were you? Getting information second hand just like you. Yes a modified pre-production Hellokitty put bus lengths on a 3 year old Cadillac wagon that couldn't get into 5th gear. Color me impressed. Where are the Hellkitten/ZL1/1LE/GT500/Boss track comparisons again?? [Crickets]



Yes, from the article: "Dodge claims the Charger SRT Hellcat...". Just like Dodge claims the Hellokitty Challenger would run 11.2 on factory rubber.

Here are the facts.
MotorTrend: 0-60, 3.7sec; 1/4mile 11.7 @ 125.4mph; 4449lbs automatic
Car&Driver: 0-60, 3.6sec; 1/4mile 11.7 @ 126mph; 4488lbs automatic
Edmunds: 0-60, 4.8sec; 1/4mile 12.5 @ 118.8mph; 4454lbs

So where are you getting your info that it was modified and what was modified? I am not trying to prove a point just want the information lol. Everything about the hellcat, people want proof/evidence. I really don't care, work is slow and this thread is back to being entertaining haha

And if your going to keep bashing the Hellcat, dont forget the one review that got "close" to the claimed 11.2, the cars.com review that got an 11.40 with video.

[G8GT4now]

So a 707 HP car beat a 556 HP car?

No surprises there.

[ilirg]

I don't have a dog in this fight but lol at posting a video of the hellcat beating a station wagon. We can do better than that

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by shaffe

So where are you getting your info that it was modified and what was modified? I am not trying to prove a point just want the information lol. Everything about the hellcat, people want proof/evidence. I really don't care, work is slow and this thread is back to being entertaining haha

And if your going to keep bashing the Hellcat, dont forget the one review that got "close" to the claimed 11.2, the cars.com review that got an 11.40 with video.

Conversations with others there that day. Would be nice if they offered track-inspired package for the Charger/Challenger.

Ah yes the Cars.com "review". And what did the ZL1 and GT500 run at the dragstrip for Cars.com? [Crickets]

Car&Driver:
Hellokitty: 0-60, 3.6sec; 1/4mile 11.7 @ 126mph; 4488lbs automatic
---GT500: 0-60, 3.5sec; 1/4mile 11.8 @ 125mph; 3891lbs
------ZL1: 0-60, 4.1sec; 1/4mile 12.3 @ 119mph; 4120lbs

MotorTrend:
---GT500: 0-60, 3.8sec; 1/4mile 11.6 @ 125.7mph; 3871lbs
Hellokitty: 0-60, 3.7sec; 1/4mile 11.7 @ 125.4mph; 4449lbs automatic
------ZL1: 0-60, 3.9sec, 1/4mile 12.2 @ 116.6mph; 4051lbs

Edmunds:
---GT500: 0-60, 3.9sec, 1/4mile 12.1 @ 120.6mph; 3870lbs
-----ZL1: 0-60, 4.1sec, 1/4mile 12.4 @ 116.0mph
Hellokitty: 0-60, 4.8sec; 1/4mile 12.5 @ 118.8mph; 4454lbs

Road&Track:
---GT500: 0-60, 3.5sec, 1/4mile 11.7 @ 128.1mph
-----ZL1: 0-60, 3.9sec, 1/4mile 12.1 @ 119.9mph
Hellokitty: TBD

[shaffe]

So what was modified on the Hellcat? If there was people there and they say it was what was it?

As far as I found, Cars.Com never took the GT500 or ZL1 to the strip. My guess would be because Ford and Chevy never made a big deal about the cars could do like Dodge did with the "NHRA Certified" claims about its E/T. That is my guess as to why when cars.com got their hands on the Hellcat they went right to the drag strip with it. So because cars.com doesn't have those stats for the GT500 and ZL1, its video of the timing boards, and its timeslips don't count?

I know you want to compare it direct to what the other magazines got, but you can't leave it out. that would be cherry picking your data. As far as I am concerned, cars.com was the only review that went about chasing the Hellcat ET the right way. They actually went to a dragstrip, filmed the run, filmed the timing board, and posted pictures of the timeslips.

And this debate is meant to be all in good fun Literally just trying to pass the time on a slow Friday haha

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by shaffe

So where are you getting your info that it was modified and what was modified? I am not trying to prove a point just want the information lol. Everything about the hellcat, people want proof/evidence. I really don't care, work is slow and this thread is back to being entertaining haha

And if your going to keep bashing the Hellcat, dont forget the one review that got "close" to the claimed 11.2, the cars.com review that got an 11.40 with video.

Is the Hellcat running a production tune yet? In mid September there were reports that is was still being tweaked.

What does the mean with regard to the August Cars.com or May NHRA tests?

an unnamed source within Fiat Chrysler Automobiles told it that the Hellcat was having problems meeting emissions standards at its 707-horsepower tune. The person claimed that the automaker has been testing the V8 with different types of sensors, possibly to make it a bit cleaner in the future.
http://www.autoblog.com/2014/09/16/i...t-speculation/

[matt55]

I am more depressed about the new CTS-V , more than likely it will have a LT4 with the same or less hp as the Zo6.
*IF* the fatcat Charger can run the low 11's/10.7 with DR the V will not stand a chance in the 1/4 .
And no one confuse me with a dodge lover , I'm trying feverishly to get into a +2009 CTS-V

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

Is the Hellcat running a production tune yet? In mid September there were reports that is was still being tweaked.

What does the mean with regard to the August Cars.com or May NHRA tests?

I am not sure, if it is not the production tune then that's just more bad press for dodge.

[LostPony]

After spending a day with the Chrysler engineers on the Hellcat program I can report that we discussed lots of other cars, and I tried to weasel info on future models from them.

As to the Hellcat on a road course, not the cars intent, but it does handle very well. At least the 392 did. They admitted to me that the 392 actually runs nearly identical track times as the Hellcat due to better weight balance, and lower balance on the front.

I was told that early on an engineer proposed a Z/28 style track killer but it was quickly shot down as they recognized the limit of the platform would make that nearly impossible. So very early on they knew it was not going to be a track star. What they decided instead was to build on what the car does well already, a great street cruiser, but with an attitude.

They are limited on tire width by numerous things, including stance of the base model cars, and dimensions inside the tire well. For years some in the program tried to get a 275 but was always shot down due to the limitations. It was argued to do flares and special fenders/quarters, but again cost reared its ugly head.

So while the car can be driven on a road course and do just fine, it is instead a great cruiser that delivers some brutal acceleration. When they return later in October I will give a report on my drive in the Charger Hellcat, and I will have my Harry's Laptimer in my pocket!!

[Mike00]

Originally Posted by LostPony

After spending a day with the Chrysler engineers on the Hellcat program I can report that we discussed lots of other cars, and I tried to weasel info on future models from them.

As to the Hellcat on a road course, not the cars intent, but it does handle very well. At least the 392 did. They admitted to me that the 392 actually runs nearly identical track times as the Hellcat due to better weight balance, and lower balance on the front.

I was told that early on an engineer proposed a Z/28 style track killer but it was quickly shot down as they recognized the limit of the platform would make that nearly impossible. So very early on they knew it was not going to be a track star. What they decided instead was to build on what the car does well already, a great street cruiser, but with an attitude.

They are limited on tire width by numerous things, including stance of the base model cars, and dimensions inside the tire well. For years some in the program tried to get a 275 but was always shot down due to the limitations. It was argued to do flares and special fenders/quarters, but again cost reared its ugly head.

So while the car can be driven on a road course and do just fine, it is instead a great cruiser that delivers some brutal acceleration. When they return later in October I will give a report on my drive in the Charger Hellcat, and I will have my Harry's Laptimer in my pocket!!

This post has me more and more thinking about a 392. I have an S4 and even without my tune I wonder how much more power I could use. I could go to a ZL1 but the new 15 SRT 392 is beautiful, comfortable cruiser, that also has some mean power to it and it handles well for the general public roads - not to mention some nice updated tech and the price is about 10-15,000 less than other cars I'd purchase.

I guess where I'm at for a daily driver street car the SRT 392 Challenger (or probably charger when they release it) is tough to beat for the price. It doesn't handle as well as the Camaro or mustang but it's pretty damn good for the streets and stock without great tires or any mods at all - it seems good for a flat 12.

I tend to drive at 90-105mph when on the highway. But I still can't fathom how I need much faster of a car than that. Maybe I'm getting old but a part of me is thinking why not pick up a SRT 392 for $43-$45k that is loaded? Save some money and have more than I can ever truly use on streets? PLus it s fits peopel comfortably in the back.

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by shaffe

So what was modified on the Hellcat? If there was people there and they say it was what was it?

I didn't ask. Heard "pre-production" and "track setup" thrown around. All in positive conversation mind you but this isn't an off the floor production car from your local Dodge dealership.

Originally Posted by shaffe

As far as I found, Cars.Com never took the GT500 or ZL1 to the strip. My guess would be because Ford and Chevy never made a big deal about the cars could do like Dodge did with the "NHRA Certified" claims about its E/T. That is my guess as to why when cars.com got their hands on the Hellcat they went right to the drag strip with it. So because cars.com doesn't have those stats for the GT500 and ZL1, its video of the timing boards, and its timeslips don't count?

Counts? Yes, but without the benefit of perspective. For example, what if I showed you the 12.1 second quarter mile Edmunds recorded with the GT500? By itself if looks like a 12 second car no? But when I put it in the context of the Hellcat and ZL1 times, it looks very different.

Edmunds:
---GT500: 0-60, 3.9sec, 1/4mile 12.1 @ 120.6mph; 3870lbs
-----ZL1: 0-60, 4.1sec, 1/4mile 12.4 @ 116.0mph
Hellokitty: 0-60, 4.8sec; 1/4mile 12.5 @ 118.8mph; 4454lbs

This is why I look at a body of work rather than a single event in isolation. Did the Hellcat run 11.2 at a dragstrip? Only in Dodge press releases.

Originally Posted by shaffe

I know you want to compare it direct to what the other magazines got, but you can't leave it out. that would be cherry picking your data. As far as I am concerned, cars.com was the only review that went about chasing the Hellcat ET the right way. They actually went to a dragstrip, filmed the run, filmed the timing board, and posted pictures of the timeslips.

If SuperChevy magazine records an 11.7 with the ZL1 at the dragstrip one night, but has never run the GT500 or Hellcat, I can say the ZL1 runs 11.7? Look at the body of work. The more data there is, the closer you get to the true mean.

Originally Posted by shaffe

And this debate is meant to be all in good fun Literally just trying to pass the time on a slow Friday haha

I understand completely and I'm glad you brought these questions up. I have no doubt the 11.2 is achievable in the right hands under the right conditions with enough tries. But that is faaaaaar from average as we've seen in the hands of independent reviews.

Originally Posted by LostPony

So while the car can be driven on a road course and do just fine, it is instead a great cruiser that delivers some brutal acceleration. When they return later in October I will give a report on my drive in the Charger Hellcat, and I will have my Harry's Laptimer in my pocket!!

Thank you!

[SEVEN-OH JOE]

There's a couple of things (at least) about this CTS-V "ass-whoopin'" video that warrant comment. An Automatic CTS-V wagon weighs within 100 lb of a Hellcat Challenger, and gives up 150 hp. Apples against oranges. And, as mentioned, Ralph Gilles is a racer. I can't speak for the Caddy guy, but Ralph is a serious wheelman.

Also not mentioned here, but bragged about elsewhere, is the "reality" of a Hellcat mule with 800+ hp. Of all the people at FCA, who would most likely be the guy to put such a car through its pace, if it in fact exists?