Power lifter? Bodybuilder? come on in!

[Mydivorcegift]

Originally Posted by RGRCamaro

Bench has always been my weak point. It started at about 95lbs 4 years ago. Yes I am actually starting to do exactly what you say! I am decreasing my volume, staying with heavy enough weight that I know I can do but that is also very hard! I have also found occassional negatives have helped me, loading something like 335lbs on the bar, something that I know I can't do, then lowering the weight extremly slowly. It gets my hands and nervous system used to handling a heavier weight.

Thanks for the adivice! Its awesome to hear about someone else with a similar lifting style!

I'm surprised given your background you'd state the above. Why on earth would your want to train your body to become slower? Negatives are terrible for getting stronger and there are probably more "bench" injuries every year associated with doing "negatives" than any other "bench" exercise.

If you want to handle more weight than you currently do, rotate a board press every 2nd or 3rd week. Start out at 3 boards, go to 2, then go to 1. Then you would take the weight you have been doing to your chest. This cycle should take 8-12 weeks.

Meant to do this earlier.....meant to give you props....most people, especially on the internet if they benched 310 would automatically round up to 315 because it sounds so much better to those that lift...the big 3 plates. You didn't do that.

[You Won't]

Originally Posted by hrpiii

if you are not gaining muscle, then it is your diet you need to look at. Lifting helps, but you have to be pushing your body. Lifting to be lifting and not pushing the body, well that is just "working out". If you cannot do squats, what leg exercises are you doing, and how much protien are you consuming a day?

I avg between 250 to 275 on the protien per day. As far as leg exercises go, it is just normal therapy stuff like wall squats, they have me on a total gym sometimes at a decline so it is not all of my weight on my leg, step ups and step downs, t-band exercises, stuff like that. I can't do any squatting with weights. I push myself until my leg starts quivering so much that I can barely stand up so I am pushing my leg pretty hard. It even starts shaking when I apply the brakes on the drive home and I have to switch and do it with my good leg sometimes if there is a lot of traffic on the way home. So, it has been mentioned that I should get a good protien powder. What are some opinions on a good one? I am sure everyone has their own favorite but I would like the options. I am asking because I know a lot of you have been doing this for a while so I respect what you have to say. Thanks.

[RGRCamaro]

Originally Posted by Mydivorcegift

I'm surprised given your background you'd state the above. Why on earth would your want to train your body to become slower? Negatives are terrible for getting stronger and there are probably more "bench" injuries every year associated with doing "negatives" than any other "bench" exercise.

If you want to handle more weight than you currently do, rotate a board press every 2nd or 3rd week. Start out at 3 boards, go to 2, then go to 1. Then you would take the weight you have been doing to your chest. This cycle should take 8-12 weeks.

Meant to do this earlier.....meant to give you props....most people, especially on the internet if they benched 310 would automatically round up to 315 because it sounds so much better to those that lift...the big 3 plates. You didn't do that.

Like I said, I do them "Occasionally" for the purpose of getting my hands and nervous system used to more weight, I see nothing wrong with going 15-20lbs over your max, lowering slowly with a spotter? As your eccentric motion is much stronger than your concentric and your spotter is helping with the concentric, so negatives done correctly, are fine. "Bodybuilding" in general is the training of slow twitch fibers, but it also increases the volume and density of fibers, allowing greater potential for power. This is why I do it all, to be a better all around athlete. Bodybuilding and slow twitch training is recommeded during the "off season" for athletes as it does tend to slow, then when season comes around you will switch to power movements and trainings to train the fast twitch. The result is a "Bigger" and quicker athlete. This is why I do it.

As for your deadlift comment..."Lanky" usually means long arms and long legs...Just like in my case, therefore the lift would still be a longer time under tension than a shorter person who is still proportional. This is where you have to trust me...unless you have been 5'6 and 6'3 in your life.... It is going to be hard for you argue that a taller "Lanky" person has an advantage in ANY bodybuilding/powerlifting lift.

Thank you though! Yeah I don't see a point in BS-ing about anything on the internet. While those 3 plates sure are sexy, I haven't hit it yet, gotta stay honest.

[Mydivorcegift]

Originally Posted by RGRCamaro

Like I said, I do them "Occasionally" for the purpose of getting my hands and nervous system used to more weight, I see nothing wrong with going 15-20lbs over your max, lowering slowly with a spotter? As your eccentric motion is much stronger than your concentric and your spotter is helping with the concentric, so negatives done correctly, are fine. "Bodybuilding" in general is the training of slow twitch fibers, but it also increases the volume and density of fibers, allowing greater potential for power. This is why I do it all, to be a better all around athlete. Bodybuilding and slow twitch training is recommeded during the "off season" for athletes as it does tend to slow, then when season comes around you will switch to power movements and trainings to train the fast twitch. The result is a "Bigger" and quicker athlete. This is why I do it.

As for your deadlift comment..."Lanky" usually means long arms and long legs...Just like in my case, therefore the lift would still be a longer time under tension than a shorter person who is still proportional. This is where you have to trust me...unless you have been 5'6 and 6'3 in your life.... It is going to be hard for you argue that a taller "Lanky" person has an advantage in ANY bodybuilding/powerlifting lift.

Thank you though! Yeah I don't see a point in BS-ing about anything on the internet. While those 3 plates sure are sexy, I haven't hit it yet, gotta stay honest.

I only know what I have witnessed, and lifted against on the platform

Example below....



If you don't think this is a shortened range of motion because of his "build" well.....I just don't know what to say.

[joelster]

Originally Posted by Mydivorcegift

Know what cracks me up?

Tall lanky f'rs that have long arms and are better suited to deadlift and only have to lift it 1.5 feet off the floor vs me having to lift it 3 feet

Seriously though what you posted above for the most part is BS. MOST powerlifters aren't 5'6 and have 48" waist. In fact most in the 242 lb class and under are in good shape FOR LIFTING HEAVY WEIGHT. In most cases this involves having a thick waist. It creates a much more stable platform to sit a ton of weight on your back to squat and as you have pointed out above, it does shorten the ROM in the benchpress. Mine is 36" or so and it ain't fat.

I will agree with you on the deadlift part!

[RGRCamaro]

Originally Posted by Mydivorcegift

I only know what I have witnessed, and lifted against on the platform

Example below....



If you don't think this is a shortened range of motion because of his "build" well.....I just don't know what to say.

Dude, this is a sumo deadlift (Everyone calls it something different, so a super wide foot stance, of course here someone with extremely long arms, longer proportionately to his legs, would have an advantage. I deadlift with my feet under my shoulders, driving through my heels, with my butt below parallel, at the start, I just measured, My legs, foot to where the bar would rest just about my groin, is roughly 36 inches….minus the few inches for the bar being raised off the ground….so how about you film yourself doing a deadlift, come back, and tell me if you move the bar 30+ inches on your deadliest :face palm:
I bet you that you are significantly below that, unless you are in a habit of deadlifting from the floor to mid abdomen…..

[Mydivorcegift]

Originally Posted by RGRCamaro

Like I said, I do them "Occasionally" for the purpose of getting my hands and nervous system used to more weight, I see nothing wrong with going 15-20lbs over your max, lowering slowly with a spotter? As your eccentric motion is much stronger than your concentric and your spotter is helping with the concentric, so negatives done correctly, are fine. "Bodybuilding" in general is the training of slow twitch fibers, but it also increases the volume and density of fibers, allowing greater potential for power. This is why I do it all, to be a better all around athlete. Bodybuilding and slow twitch training is recommeded during the "off season" for athletes as it does tend to slow, then when season comes around you will switch to power movements and trainings to train the fast twitch. The result is a "Bigger" and quicker athlete. This is why I do it.

So let me get this straight. You do a period of training slow to "get big". Then you do a period of training fast and explosive to get quicker? Why would you not incorporate all aspects of strength training into a yearly cycle on a constant basis?

If negatives are so good and serve the purpose you describe, then let me ask you a question.

When is the last time you did a negative squat?

Originally Posted by RGRCamaro

Dude, this is a sumo deadlift (Everyone calls it something different, so a super wide foot stance, of course here someone with extremely long arms, longer proportionately to his legs, would have an advantage. I deadlift with my feet under my shoulders, driving through my heels, with my butt below parallel, at the start, I just measured, My legs, foot to where the bar would rest just about my groin, is roughly 36 inches….minus the few inches for the bar being raised off the ground….so how about you film yourself doing a deadlift, come back, and tell me if you move the bar 30+ inches on your deadliest :face palm:
I bet you that you are significantly below that, unless you are in a habit of deadlifting from the floor to mid abdomen…..

Dude...I'm not your dude...lol. And I know what it is called lmao...it's a deadlift stance is irrelevant. That's like comparing a close stance squat to a wide one....on the platform it doesn't matter your stance.

It's 29" to answer your question. I deadlift conventional as well.

And talk about TUT being regulated and determined by how tall you are? Really? If you are moving the weight at .5-.9m/s that extra 6 inches in ROM really increases the TUT.

[Mydivorcegift]

Glad there is some new blood in this thread for me to

[RGRCamaro]

Originally Posted by Mydivorcegift

Glad there is some new blood in this thread for me to

Haha okay, not a "dude", I am not going to argue with you about this anymore.

But to answer your question, the body cannot effectively and efficiently train slow twitch and fast twitch fibers at the same time and hit peak numbers on both sides. This is why for decades athletes go though periods of training both. Slow twitch in off season, then fast twitch right before season and during pre-season.

Clearly what I have done has worked for me. Or else I would not have put on close to 70lbs in 5 years, put up the numbers I have, all while still running a 4.5 40 yard dash each spring, and a 35 inch vertical, varying between 8-10% body fat.

You stick with YOUR training style, and I am going to stick with MINE.

[Mydivorcegift]

Originally Posted by RGRCamaro

Haha okay, not a "dude", I am not going to argue with you about this anymore.

But to answer your question, the body cannot effectively and efficiently train slow twitch and fast twitch fibers at the same time and hit peak numbers on both sides. This is why for decades athletes go though periods of training both. Slow twitch in off season, then fast twitch right before season and during pre-season.

Clearly what I have done has worked for me. Or else I would not have put on close to 70lbs in 5 years, put up the numbers I have, all while still running a 4.5 40 yard dash each spring, and a 35 inch vertical, varying between 8-10% body fat.

You stick with YOUR training style, and I am going to stick with MINE.

Oh come on let's talk some more

Ah yes the "old school" way of training.

Training has evolved over the years like everything else and yes you can. That's why people today are bigger stronger and faster than they were "decades" ago

[Dznts]

[Normagene]

Well ups delivered hubby's "Posture Shirt" yesterday so he got to try it out. He loves it. It's not a workout shirt, it's designed for folks who want to improve their posture, pulls the shoulders back and keeps the spine aligned, although it can be worn while working out. And it's great if you have mild back pain.

Instructions say for first time to wear it 30 to 60 minutes. You may feel a little soreness since it activates muscles u haven't used in a long long time. I could definitely c he was sitting/standing much straighter. He said if really does keep u from slouching forward.

He should get his Bench Shirt this coming wk! Hope he likes it.

[Mydivorcegift]

Originally Posted by Dznts

Full yet?

Funny I thought about you yesterday...was looking for meets for you in your backyard. Still nothing but NASA ones.

[Mydivorcegift]

Originally Posted by Normagene

Well ups delivered hubby's "Posture Shirt" yesterday so he got to try it out. He loves it. It's not a workout shirt, it's designed for folks who want to improve their posture, pulls the shoulders back and keeps the spine aligned, although it can be worn while working out. And it's great if you have mild back pain.

Instructions say for first time to wear it 30 to 60 minutes. You may feel a little soreness since it activates muscles u haven't used in a long long time. I could definitely c he was sitting/standing much straighter. He said if really does keep u from slouching forward.

He should get his Bench Shirt this coming wk! Hope he likes it.

So it's like an Inzer erector (haha) shirt. He could benefit some during lifting with this shirt on.