2015 Challenger Hellcat 707 HP - Page 165

LOWDOWN · 09-02-2014, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

1500 lb. heavier car, on street tires, running the same times...AMAZING!

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Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

And the 68 car didn't have:

A/C
4 wheel power disks
Full exhaust
IRS
3.06 gears
8 speed auto
Stereo
Seats 4
etc

You're comparing a SuperStock heavily modified racer to a modern street legal fully production certified GT coupe

That's probably where much of the 1500 lbs come from, right? You guys have a really tough time taking a compliment...

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Originally Posted by 1QwikZ28

You can't argue with the guy...he is C5's version of the the Pill...

You give the jagged one far too much credit...

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Dodges 6 speed Hellcat blackout is still in full effect...MEOWWWWWWWW

You missed John Pearley Huffman's upper 12's on Edmunds? And JPH cut his teeth in the '90s with Car Craft, a magazine with some 1/4-mile experience...

motorhead · 09-02-2014, 09:22 PM

It's looking more and more like lowdown is right every day. I would buy the charger over the challenger at this point for a performance family car. I believe that Ford is going to have a much better offering very soon. And, who the hell knows what the next Camaro has in store. I'm on a wait and see approach at this point. Either way my ZL1 isn't going anywhere unless my wife's ban on a C7 gets lifted. Then it will go for a Z06 which I believe to be the most sexy car on the planet after getting to see one up close.

rayzazoo · 09-03-2014, 12:26 AM

Still a great picture.

rayzazoo · 09-03-2014, 12:27 AM

Still great pictures.

1987GNX · 09-03-2014, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by rayzazoo

Still great pictures.

I found another pic to add

1QwikZ28 · 09-03-2014, 12:56 AM

^ lmfao

HEMI DAVE · 09-03-2014, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

You missed John Pearley Huffman's upper 12's on Edmunds? And JPH cut his teeth in the '90s with Car Craft, a magazine with some 1/4-mile experience...

I saw that review LD .....

....The trap speed of 118 MPH they got is odd because the 8 speed auto trapped much higher...about 126MPH.

So I will wait to see some more testing of the 6 speed before I make a final judgment.....or buy......

Dodges silence on the 6 speed has me the most concerned to tell you the truth.....They flat out don't answer the question of what the manual ran during SRT testing.....and I have asked them directly.....I get no response or I get "We don't know but it's slower than the auto.".....
Total BS..............

I don't think they really care because the vast majority are going to get the ass kicking 8 speed auto....

LOWDOWN · 09-03-2014, 12:26 PM

First of all, I am NOT "picking" on Hemi Dave, who at least remained civil and somewhat open-minded (considering his "handle") throughout this entire "discussion". What follows is a selected edit of the last 7+ weeks, here:

[7/12/14, post 963]

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Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Something being overlooked by some is a relatively modern convenience I suspect Fiat-Chrysler paid a LOT of attention to: electronics.

"Skinny" tires aren't so skinny when the launch electronics are turned up to "KILL!"

The other data missing is the torque curve, and when/where all that boosted low end grunt hits. Again, electronics come into play...

You'll also notice this one is Automatic-equipped, which adapts well to a fully integrated electronic system.

[7/13/14, post 1033]

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Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Is it possible for a Hellcat to run low 11's, with an 8-speed Automatic, on 275-wide tires? Yes, for the reasons stated [great integrated electronics]

Can one on DRs possibly break into the 10s, so equipped? It's certainly not impossible, under ideal conditions, with max'd electronics...which is where I said Mother Mopar spent a LOT of time getting 'em right.

[post 1045]

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Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

The low 11's (275-equipped) and high 10s (DR-equipped) reported are for Automatic-equipped cars

In practise, the best reported times in an Automatic-equipped Hellcat are benefitted significantly by well-sorted electronics. That's NOT my stupid uneducated assessment; that information sharing comes from TWO well-placed Mopar sources. The Manual versions are somewhat slower...because their electronics package for obvious reasons can NOT be maximized to the same level, particularly on OEM street tires.

And finally, the GT500 with its 5.81 lb/hp meets or betters the Hellcat's weight-to-power number...and pretty much matches the Hellcat in expected 1/4-mile times on OE tires WITH A MANUAL TRANS. Were the Shelby available with an "electronically-integrated Automatic with aggressive launch management system" (my quote), its times would no doubt plunge, as well...

[7/16/14 - for all that follow]

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Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Dodge claims 11.8s on OE 275s [6-Speed] and, with a similar weight-to-power number as the GT500, that makes sense.

$59,900 MSRP, Base, makes this very good value BUT, like the days of old in the original muscle era, Mopar's overall presence on the street will still trail its domestic competitors in sales volume.

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Originally Posted by HEMI DAVE

Dodge has not released any official info on the manual times as far as I know...Where did you find that?

Rumors though have it doing 10.9 on Drag radials.... so maybe that's 11.3...11.4 on stock rubber 1/4 mile

....We have to wait and see.......

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Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

...and I know how to access the garage @ Featherstone & Doris Rd...

Dave, we get that you're strong on this car (what's your handle, again?). But FACTS don't support your "rumors".

How in God's name, on skinnier OEM tires, is a 6-Speed Manual Dodge with an OEM/EPA-compliant tune and the same or slightly worse weight-to-power as the vaunted GT500 going to beat it by 1/2 a second in the 1/4-mile? REALLY?!

The "phat" times are with a well-integrated electronic-controlled AUTOMATIC, and now even Jalopnik is stating "stock, runs 10s!"...even though at least DRs are required. Gas Monkey is EXACTLY that...NOT a renowned drag racer of any repute, anywhere...and an "entertainer". Paid to "promote". Anything he says without 3rd party video confirmation is "for entertainment purposes, only!"

So NOW, "put a monkey in the seat and you can run 10s off the showroom floor" is what the "REAL" story is?!

I'm from Missouri...

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I "get it" that this 'Cat has claws and, @ under-$60K (Base) is great value for straight-line guys 'n gals. Really, I get it.

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Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Dave, do you have any idea of what is located @ Featherstone & Doris?

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Originally Posted by HEMI DAVE

You may be right

...but I want to wait and see the facts of how it runs on a road course before I write it off as 3rd place...........

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Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

See...some REALITY is finally befalling you.

Why don't we ALL wait for the REAL results before making some (G)as Monkey the reliable (paid) spokesman for what deserves more consideration than he genuinely gives to this Program that FCA desperately needs to succeed?

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Originally Posted by HEMI DAVE

LMAO

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Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Keep in mind, ALL the quotes above were well before the PIR event "release". When those BOLD headlines flashed like overboosted neon (no pun):

707 HP! RUNS10.8s!!

Good thing I have reasonably broad shoulders because the StormTroopers descended..."WTF you talkin' 'bout, Willis?! 'Integrated electronics', my foot, it's all about the 707 HP, fool!!"

REALLY?!

"6-Speeds might match the GT500", I said.

7 weeks ago...

Well?

BTW, Hemi Dave, thanks for the spirited-but-respectful debate. Truly.

Drumminxx · 09-03-2014, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 1987GNX

I found another pic to add

Ha! FUNNY GUY!

rocket403 · 09-03-2014, 05:16 PM

Still waiting on more information on the 6sp and track times for the Auto Hellcat, the standard Challengers have always been a bit slower than the Auto in the 1/4. I was disappointed in the time we have from the one 6sp tested, Im thinking that most people will be going for the Auto, and that the 6sp will have a lot less made.

HEMI DAVE · 09-03-2014, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

First of all, I am NOT "picking" on Hemi Dave, who at least remained civil and somewhat open-minded (considering his "handle") throughout this entire "discussion". What follows is a selected edit of the last 7+ weeks, here:

[7/12/14, post 963]

[7/13/14, post 1033]

[post 1045]

[7/16/14 - for all that follow]

Keep in mind, ALL the quotes above were well before the PIR event "release". When those BOLD headlines flashed like overboosted neon (no pun):

707 HP! RUNS10.8s!!

Good thing I have reasonably broad shoulders because the StormTroopers descended..."WTF you talkin' 'bout, Willis?! 'Integrated electronics', my foot, it's all about the 707 HP, fool!!"

REALLY?!

"6-Speeds might match the GT500", I said.

7 weeks ago...

Well?

BTW, Hemi Dave, thanks for the spirited-but-respectful debate. Truly.

No prob LD.......some good debate...laughter....frat house...needling......entertainment.....Its all good...

Hey ...just cause I am Hemi Dave ...doesn't mean I will buy the slowest 6 speed manual 707HP Muscle car ever made....If that turns out to be the cold hard truth I will pass on that puppy...errrrr... I mean kitty....LMAO

LOWDOWN · 09-03-2014, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rayzazoo

How about THESE for the comparisons?

Transformer Yellow vs. B5 Blue?

.

2010SLVRBULIT · 09-03-2014, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 1987GNX

I found another pic to add

..how true..

rpepka · 09-04-2014, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 1987GNX

I found another pic to add

Holy Sheet Balls! There should be a law. Some people just shouldn't wear bicycle pants!

09-03-2014, 12:26 AM	#2299
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09-03-2014, 12:27 AM	#2300
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09-02-2014, 09:22 PM	#2298
motorhead Drives: Love the one you're with Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Downtown Charlie Brown Posts: 11,849	It's looking more and more like lowdown is right every day. I would buy the charger over the challenger at this point for a performance family car. I believe that Ford is going to have a much better offering very soon. And, who the hell knows what the next Camaro has in store. I'm on a wait and see approach at this point. Either way my ZL1 isn't going anywhere unless my wife's ban on a C7 gets lifted. Then it will go for a Z06 which I believe to be the most sexy car on the planet after getting to see one up close.

09-03-2014, 12:56 AM	#2302
1QwikZ28 Drives: 1999 Camaro Z28 Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: S. Texas Posts: 181	^ lmfao

09-03-2014, 05:16 PM	#2306
rocket403 Drives: 80 Cutlass 403, 2010 FF RT Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ontario Posts: 921	Still waiting on more information on the 6sp and track times for the Auto Hellcat, the standard Challengers have always been a bit slower than the Auto in the 1/4. I was disappointed in the time we have from the one 6sp tested, Im thinking that most people will be going for the Auto, and that the 6sp will have a lot less made.