2015 Challenger Hellcat 707 HP

[BobDigi5060]

Originally Posted by SEVEN-OH JOE

You don't NEED to rely on GM P.R.-generated words. There was a VIDEO posted of it. Within moments of it happening. NOW, for the same effort, some clown wants us to PAY to see time slips and video. IF it exists, WHY wouldn't it already be seen/playing on ALLPAR, or challengertalk? Makes you go 'hmmmm", doesn't it? Is Mopar so tight for money they need a CAMARO site to pay for their MARKETING? Or...is a "plant" just trolling? Who professes to want to share "FACTS", then proceeds to do a worse job of that than the magazines he rails about...

My true disdain with all this is: There is a CONCERTED effort to consciously PROMOTE the Hellcat vehicles on camaro5, because someone in Auburn Hills (or Italy) has deemed potentially butt hurt ZL1 owners as targets for potential "conversion". And it strikes me as a disciple of this fine site that someone wants to convert the "christians" over to "allah". (Note no caps used on "either").

You DON'T see this amount of attention paid to Ford sites of any size-stripe-description. Why? Because, when all the time slips roll in for currently-embargoed 6-Speed Hellcats' results, they'll struggle to match the GT500. FACT!

So, as demonstrated here by certain people, "Nah-Nah-NaNah-Nah! You only turn 12s!!" gets a little tiresome after 90 (combined) pages. "Watch our tail lights!" REALLY?

First, I do NOT recall Camaro Comrades raiding-raping-pillaging Mopar sites when the ZL1 came out...for 90 pages on a Mopar site. Didn't happen.

There's an absolute One-Trick CLYDESDALE that, for one brief shining moment, happens to set astounding 1/4-mile times AS AN AUTOMATIC-only, and those fans feel they have to beat their drums HERE.

Talk about "sooo high school".

How many times can they continue to ask, after admission is given, whether the ZL1 has ever "officially" run times better than 11.9s? Ad nauseum is the apparent Italian-Latin answer...

Mopar muthas should NOT expect the same "treatment" from "us" when the Automatic Z06 OBLITERATES the Hellcats' times. "Not the same sort of car", they'll whine. "Faaaar more money!", they'll complain.

To themselves. 'Cause we WON'T be "over there". Why would we? We didn't, before. Did we? "Let the results speak for themselves", we're scolded. REALLY? We did that since the ZL1 came out. And we'll do that when the Z06 arrives. And the much-lighter, much more-capable Gen-6 ZL1 arrives.

Because "that's the way WE roll..."

One-trick CLYDESDALE. They HATE that descriptor. Despise it! So much so that they've sent fresh emissaries, here, to try and silence US on our own damn SITE.

"High school", indeed. Bunch of schoolyard bullies. Typical Sergio "BELIEVE every word I say" b.s. (small case, as per him).

Viral marketing...that's got to be VILE.

Did I FULLY answer your question?

[shaffe]

That makes sense Joe, hope my post didn't come off as standoffish haha, was just trying to get the post out before I had work to get done lol

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by SEVEN-OH JOE

You don't NEED to rely on GM P.R.-generated words. There was a VIDEO posted of it. Within moments of it happening. NOW, for the same effort, some clown wants us to PAY to see time slips and video. IF it exists, WHY wouldn't it already be seen/playing on ALLPAR, or challengertalk? Makes you go 'hmmmm", doesn't it? Is Mopar so tight for money they need a CAMARO site to pay for their MARKETING? Or...is a "plant" just trolling? Who professes to want to share "FACTS", then proceeds to do a worse job of that than the magazines he rails about...

My true disdain with all this is: There is a CONCERTED effort to consciously PROMOTE the Hellcat vehicles on camaro5, because someone in Auburn Hills (or Italy) has deemed potentially butt hurt ZL1 owners as targets for potential "conversion". And it strikes me as a disciple of this fine site that someone wants to convert the "christians" over to "allah". (Note no caps used on "either").

You DON'T see this amount of attention paid to Ford sites of any size-stripe-description. Why? Because, when all the time slips roll in for currently-embargoed 6-Speed Hellcats' results, they'll struggle to match the GT500. FACT!

So, as demonstrated here by certain people, "Nah-Nah-NaNah-Nah! You only turn 12s!!" gets a little tiresome after 90 (combined) pages. "Watch our tail lights!" REALLY?

First, I do NOT recall Camaro Comrades raiding-raping-pillaging Mopar sites when the ZL1 came out...for 90 pages on a Mopar site. Didn't happen.

There's an absolute One-Trick CLYDESDALE that, for one brief shining moment, happens to set astounding 1/4-mile times AS AN AUTOMATIC-only, and those fans feel they have to beat their drums HERE.

Talk about "sooo high school".

How many times can they continue to ask, after admission is given, whether the ZL1 has ever "officially" run times better than 11.9s? Ad nauseum is the apparent Italian-Latin answer...

Mopar muthas should NOT expect the same "treatment" from "us" when the Automatic Z06 OBLITERATES the Hellcats' times. "Not the same sort of car", they'll whine. "Faaaar more money!", they'll complain.

To themselves. 'Cause we WON'T be "over there". Why would we? We didn't, before. Did we? "Let the results speak for themselves", we're scolded. REALLY? We did that since the ZL1 came out. And we'll do that when the Z06 arrives. And the much-lighter, much more-capable Gen-6 ZL1 arrives.

Because "that's the way WE roll..."

One-trick CLYDESDALE. They HATE that descriptor. Despise it! So much so that they've sent fresh emissaries, here, to try and silence US on our own damn SITE.

"High school", indeed. Bunch of schoolyard bullies. Typical Sergio "BELIEVE every word I say" b.s. (small case, as per him).

Viral marketing...that's got to be VILE.

Did I FULLY answer your question?

So are you an Alt for Lowdown?

Seriously dude you've got more drama than a Community College theater class

[SEVEN-OH JOE]

LD? REALLY? He's got me covered. More colorful. More "entertaining".

Call it paranoia, if you like, SIL.

What's printed, here, and by whom, from this point forward, will complete the story.

Because, at this point in the discussion, what's left? More "NAH-NAH-NANAH-NAH!"?

"High school". No. "Middle school". No.

Kindergarten.

Other than the non-publishable 6-speed times, slower than or = to GT500, the story's been told. Over and over and over again. MY point.

[Runin11z]

"Crawdad" Joe your posts are becoming less and less profound as time goes on (almost on the verge of wasting bandwidth)... Since you're all about facts where is the proof that the M6 Hellcat is running equal or lesser 1/4 mile times than the GT500? You said fact that it struggles to match the Shelby but I've yet to see the numbers... Also where is the proof that GM is going to offer a gen6 ZL1?? You have my attention if that's the facts, but it remains to be unseen...

[URBAN LEGEND]

I think this thread maxed out. Nothing else in here folks. Fun thread though.

[Hell Cat 1]

Originally Posted by Loading.....

Are you stock?

If you are stock then you will need to post up your time slip. If that 12.1 stock time is true, you will be the fastest stock 392 Challenger. SRT8Tech currently has that title with a 12.2.

Post up your time slip...

I am out of town this week. I can post it up on monday for you. If Monday is to long to wait you can find it on the challenger talk forum its already posted there. Trying to copy and paste the time slip. I am brandy16 on the challenger web sit and M-32 0n the time slip. M-32 is my number when I run with car club.
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I have a new 12 second time would you please delete the old one and post the new I am M-32 and I ran a 12.187 at 113.40 miles per hour. The car is stock except for DRs. THANKS.
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[Runin11z]

Originally Posted by URBAN LEGEND

I think this thread maxed out. Nothing else in here folks. Fun thread though.

Honestly, I think Joe's true intention from his post was to try and get this thread locked up... Yes we all know this is a Camaro forum, but we also know that GM keeps a close watch here... Maybe my prodding was to get them to up the ante and come out with the king of the muscle cars (off the showroom floor) on this next go-round... As a Camaro enthusiast I want to see the car excel in all aspects not just road course times...

[Hell Cat 1]

Originally Posted by SEVEN-OH JOE

You don't NEED to rely on GM P.R.-generated words. There was a VIDEO posted of it. Within moments of it happening. NOW, for the same effort, some clown wants us to PAY to see time slips and video. IF it exists, WHY wouldn't it already be seen/playing on ALLPAR, or challengertalk? Makes you go 'hmmmm", doesn't it? Is Mopar so tight for money they need a CAMARO site to pay for their MARKETING? Or...is a "plant" just trolling? Who professes to want to share "FACTS", then proceeds to do a worse job of that than the magazines he rails about...

My true disdain with all this is: There is a CONCERTED effort to consciously PROMOTE the Hellcat vehicles on camaro5, because someone in Auburn Hills (or Italy) has deemed potentially butt hurt ZL1 owners as targets for potential "conversion". And it strikes me as a disciple of this fine site that someone wants to convert the "christians" over to "allah". (Note no caps used on "either").

You DON'T see this amount of attention paid to Ford sites of any size-stripe-description. Why? Because, when all the time slips roll in for currently-embargoed 6-Speed Hellcats' results, they'll struggle to match the GT500. FACT!

So, as demonstrated here by certain people, "Nah-Nah-NaNah-Nah! You only turn 12s!!" gets a little tiresome after 90 (combined) pages. "Watch our tail lights!" REALLY?

First, I do NOT recall Camaro Comrades raiding-raping-pillaging Mopar sites when the ZL1 came out...for 90 pages on a Mopar site. Didn't happen.

There's an absolute One-Trick CLYDESDALE that, for one brief shining moment, happens to set astounding 1/4-mile times AS AN AUTOMATIC-only, and those fans feel they have to beat their drums HERE.

Talk about "sooo high school".

How many times can they continue to ask, after admission is given, whether the ZL1 has ever "officially" run times better than 11.9s? Ad nauseum is the apparent Italian-Latin answer...

Mopar muthas should NOT expect the same "treatment" from "us" when the Automatic Z06 OBLITERATES the Hellcats' times. "Not the same sort of car", they'll whine. "Faaaar more money!", they'll complain.

To themselves. 'Cause we WON'T be "over there". Why would we? We didn't, before. Did we? "Let the results speak for themselves", we're scolded. REALLY? We did that since the ZL1 came out. And we'll do that when the Z06 arrives. And the much-lighter, much more-capable Gen-6 ZL1 arrives.

Because "that's the way WE roll..."

One-trick CLYDESDALE. They HATE that descriptor. Despise it! So much so that they've sent fresh emissaries, here, to try and silence US on our own damn SITE.

"High school", indeed. Bunch of schoolyard bullies. Typical Sergio "BELIEVE every word I say" b.s. (small case, as per him).

Viral marketing...that's got to be VILE.

Did I FULLY answer your question?

did you cover all your complaints.

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by newmoon

I'm simply posting the Motor Trend data which you seem to love so much.

No, you are cherry picking data in a desperate attemept to support your misguided notion that the Boss is somehow as fast as the ZL1.

But since you brought up the Boss, let's look at the data. In a DIRECT comparison, the ZL1 was 2/10th's faster to 60, 3/10th's quicker in the quarter trapping 3.5mph faster.

Boss 302
Car&Driver: 0-60, 4.2sec; 1/4mile 12.7 @ 114mph; 3641lbs Laguna Seca
Road&Track: 0-60, 4.0sec; 1/4mile 12.3 @ 115.8mph; 3621lbs Laguna Seca
MotorTrend: 0-60, 4.0sec; 1/4mile 12.4 @ 113.9mph; 3638lbs Laguna Seca
Car&Driver: 0-60, 4.3sec; 1/4mile 12.8 @ 113mph; 3666lbs
MotorTrend: 0-60, 4.0sec; 1/4mile 12.3 @ 115.9; 3621lbs

Camaro ZL1
Car&Driver: 0-60, 4.1sec; 1/4mile 12.3 @ 119mph; 4120lbs
MotorTrend: 0-60, 3.8sec; 1/4mile 12.1 @ 117.4mph; 4051lbs
Edmunds: 0-60, 4.1sec, 1/4mile 12.4 @ 116.0mph
Road&Track: 0-60, 3.9sec, 1/4mile 12.1 @ 119.9mph
MotorTrend: 0-60, 3.9sec, 1/4mile 12.2 @ 116.6mph; 4051lbs

Average for Boss: 0-60, 4.1sec, 1/4mile 12.5 @ 114.5mph
Average for ZL1: 0-60, 3.9sec, 1/4mile 12.2 @ 117.8mph

Given the weight, power, and price, this is exactly what I would expect.

Originally Posted by newmoon

Here is the ZL1 review.

Now on to the Camaro. Chevrolet rates the ZL1's LSA 6.2-liter supercharged V-8 at an SAE-certified 580 hp and 556 lb-ft of torque. Our six-speed manual tester put down 472 hp and 482 lb-ft of torque to the rear wheels, which K&N noted was about 20 fewer wheel horsepower than it was used to seeing from a stock Camaro ZL1. Assuming a 10-percent drivetrain loss for the manual Camaromeans the LSA is making 524 hp and 536 lb-ft of torque at the crank. While a bit lower than expected, it's worth noting that our ZL1 tester's test track numbers were exactly what we'd expect from a ZL1.

I know this hurts.

Hurts Dodge indeed. How does a car making only 472whp with a 6-speed manual come within a half second of a car making 635whp with a quick shifting automatic transmission???

[Runin11z]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

No, you are cherry picking data in a desperate attemept to support your misguided notion that the Boss is somehow as fast as the ZL1.

But since you brought up the Boss, let's look at the data. In a DIRECT comparison, the ZL1 was 2/10th's faster to 60, 3/10th's quicker in the quarter trapping 3.5mph faster.

Boss 302
Car&Driver: 0-60, 4.2sec; 1/4mile 12.7 @ 114mph; 3641lbs Laguna Seca
Road&Track: 0-60, 4.0sec; 1/4mile 12.3 @ 115.8mph; 3621lbs Laguna Seca
MotorTrend: 0-60, 4.0sec; 1/4mile 12.4 @ 113.9mph; 3638lbs Laguna Seca
Car&Driver: 0-60, 4.3sec; 1/4mile 12.8 @ 113mph; 3666lbs
MotorTrend: 0-60, 4.0sec; 1/4mile 12.3 @ 115.9; 3621lbs

Camaro ZL1
Car&Driver: 0-60, 4.1sec; 1/4mile 12.3 @ 119mph; 4120lbs
MotorTrend: 0-60, 3.8sec; 1/4mile 12.1 @ 117.4mph; 4051lbs
Edmunds: 0-60, 4.1sec, 1/4mile 12.4 @ 116.0mph
Road&Track: 0-60, 3.9sec, 1/4mile 12.1 @ 119.9mph
MotorTrend: 0-60, 3.9sec, 1/4mile 12.2 @ 116.6mph; 4051lbs

Average for Boss: 0-60, 4.1sec, 1/4mile 12.5 @ 114.5mph
Average for ZL1: 0-60, 3.9sec, 1/4mile 12.2 @ 117.8mph

Given the weight, power, and price, this is exactly what I would expect.

Here is the ZL1 review.

Now on to the Camaro. Chevrolet rates the ZL1's LSA 6.2-liter supercharged V-8 at an SAE-certified 580 hp and 556 lb-ft of torque. Our six-speed manual tester put down 472 hp and 482 lb-ft of torque to the rear wheels, which K&N noted was about 20 fewer wheel horsepower than it was used to seeing from a stock Camaro ZL1. Assuming a 10-percent drivetrain loss for the manual Camaromeans the LSA is making 524 hp and 536 lb-ft of torque at the crank. While a bit lower than expected, it's worth noting that our ZL1 tester's test track numbers were exactly what we'd expect from a ZL1.

I know this hurts.

Hurts Dodge indeed. How does a car making only 472whp with a 6-speed manual come within a half second of a car making 635whp with a quick shifting automatic transmission???[/QUOTE]

The flip side of that coin is they picked the Challenger as the winner in a heads up comparison...

[LOWDOWN]

Let me just drop this in here...

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=373991

[LOWDOWN]

Won't THAT look might handsome in a 3,900 lb. Alpha? Same torque as a Hellcat, too...

Here kitty kitty...

[07-SRT]

And the hits just keep on coming......

http://horsepowerkings.com/reports-a...update-coming/