New Chevelle instead of a 2016 Camaro?

[rocket403]

I'm not saying to turf the Camaro I just think they have the SS so they must think there is a market for the car, but they have put a half assed effort into it.

[FenwickHockey65]

There is a HUGE difference in building a high performance variant of an existing model and forcing one car into the dump just to build a different car.

Chevelle replacing Camaro is not going to happen. End of story.

[Q'smuscle]

Originally Posted by rocket403

I'm not saying to turf the Camaro I just think they have the SS so they must think there is a market for the car, but they have put a half assed effort into it.

Yikes! The SS don't even look like a Chevy! I Agree!

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

There is a HUGE difference in building a high performance variant of an existing model and forcing one car into the dump just to build a different car.

Chevelle replacing Camaro is not going to happen. End of story.

Ofcourse not just like GM making a 707 HP Camaro won't happen! I hope the 6th Gen Sales more than the 5th Gen! But I'm betting it won't! And wait why are they ending the 5th Gen?

[King T]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

This thread is a perfect example of the disconnect between enthusiasts and reality...

Yep!

[King T]

Originally Posted by Q'smuscle

Yikes! The SS don't even look like a Chevy! I Agree!

It looks like a Chevy because the designer designed both.

As far as the Malibu looks, it's kind of a twist of fate thing. The guy who designed the VF Commodore also designed the Malibu. It was on VF Commodore first, but got delayed and the Malibu came up and got some of the design cues. When the VF was back on track now people think it follows the Malibu.



Holden Designers Flex Muscles for Athletic Malibu

Local designers from Holden Design have played a key role in the styling and development of GM’s global mid-size vehicle, the Holden Malibu.

Overseen by General Motors International Operations Executive Director, Design, Michael Simcoe while he was responsible for Chevrolet Design, the Malibu was heavily influenced by two of Holden’s own design staff while on international assignment in the USA.

Justin Thompson, Exterior Design Manager and Yan Huang, Interior Design Manager were responsible for the exterior and interior styling of Malibu, a car that is sold in almost 100 countries around the world.

Sold as a Chevrolet Malibu in countries outside of Australia and New Zealand, its athletic stance was inspired by Chevrolets of the past, including the Camaro which was also styled by the Holden Design team.

Justin Thompson said the brief for Malibu was to create a car that would stand out in a busy and often bland mid-size segment.

“Medium cars are often criticised for being bland and middle-of-the-road. With Malibu, we wanted to design a car that would stand out from the pack.

“We looked to Chevrolet’s heritage to inspire us for the future and the result is a sporty family sedan that has a lean muscularity and athletic stance.” He said.

Malibu was designed first and foremost to be a Chevrolet vehicle but a Holden version was always in Justin’s mind.

“It’s critical when designing a car for the globe that it will work in multiple markets. As GM has moved to global products, Holden and Chevrolet have shared design themes. The result is a car that looks at home on roads in major cities around the world.”

Most recently Justin Thompson was Exterior Lead Designer for the VF Commodore and says Malibu shares some design highlights with the new locally manufactured large car.

“There are also some fairly deliberate similarities between Malibu and the new VF Commodore. The rear end of Malibu was actually the first iteration of VF styling as we began to work on the VE replacement in the late 2000s. We also ensured that the unique front fascia for the Holden version fitted with the broader portfolio.” Said Justin.

“Having worked on the Malibu several years ago, it’s great to finally see it on Australian roads.”

Yan Huang currently works as a design manager on interiors for GM’s global advanced vehicles. While in the US, she led the interior styling for Malibu.

“The design intent for Malibu’s interior was sporty, sophisticated and easy to live with. The result is a simple, uncluttered interior with plenty of clever storage options,” she said

“The car’s dashboard and instrument panel features flowing horizontal lines from door to door, to make the interior appear wide and create a sense of spaciousness. A chrome bar leads the eye to displays and controls and is supported by soft blue ambient lighting that brings the cockpit to life during night driving.”

Malibu features a host of useful storage. It is the first car in the Holden portfolio to include a hidden storage bin behind the seven-inch touch-screen and a one-litre bottle can be stored in each of the four doors. A pocket on the side console houses a mobile phone while charging and dual cup holders feature in both the console and rear seat armrest.

“The use of materials also plays an important role in delivering an interior with a premium feel. There are plenty of jewel-like details, like the chrome bar across the instrument panel and highlights on the controls and our fabrics include deep animal grain and contrast colour stitching.” Said Yan Huang.

“Malibu is the fourth Holden car to feature the MyLink entertainment system and integrating new technology into cars is a key focus area for interior designers.

“In the Malibu, MyLink centres around a large seven-inch colour touch-screen which is standard in all models. All controls have been designed to be intuitive and easy to use and the system needs to fit within the overall concept of the interior.

“The large touch screen works well with Malibu’s Camaro inspired gauges to create a sporty, premium feel. The result is a great success.”

Designer Biographies:

Justin Thompson, Age 37

PATAC Australia Exterior Design Manager, Shanghai GM China future models

Education

-1994- 1998 Bachelor of Technology (Industrial Design) Monash University
-1997 Semester 5 Chiba University, Chiba Japan

Experience

-1999 Commenced work at Holden Australia
-1999-2002 Monaro, VY Commodore Exterior Design
-2002 -2004 Holden WM Exterior Lead Designer
-2005 Buick LaCrosse theming PATAC Studio China (7 Months)
-2006-2009 General Motors North America 3 year ISP at Warren Michigan Design Studios USA
-2008 Buick Invicta Concept Car Lead Designer
-Buick LaCrosse Lead Designer
-Chevrolet/ Holden Malibu Lead Designer
-2009-2012, MY14 VF Exterior Lead Designer

[King T]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

We can't be that far off from reality if GM thought there was enough sales to bring the SS over.

Originally Posted by Drumminxx

I was just looking at ss sales and they look bad.

Actually they are pretty good and right on par with projections.

For the 2014, Chevy SS has sold 1,903 units so far, averaging no less than 200 cars a month
Chevrolet SS U.S. Sales 2014

January-232

February-283

March-350

April-283

May-297

June-217

July-241

Total-1,903

Now while those numbers are not mindblowing, the ARE within projected sales estimates and deemed a success

Because of this limited supply, SS allocation will be based on a dealer’s Corvette and Camaro sales.

Still, Chevy doesn’t expect the SS to be a volume seller, and if it manages to sell somewhere in the range of 1,700-2,000 units annually then it’ll be declared a success.

Now let's take a look at a REAL sales flopper, the SRT Viper
Dodge Viper U.S. Sales 2013
February-1
March-3
April-60
May-65
June-97
July-94
August-61
September-45
October-69
November-41
December-55

Total-591

Dodge Viper
U.S. Sales 2014
January-47
February-44
March-67
April-97
May-63
June-36
July-46

Total (so far)-400

That's a far cry from the 2,000/yr they had projected

From 2013

Gilles had originally said Viper production would be limited to 2,000 vehicles per year, but he said today that number proved optimistic.

Production was originally to be limited to 2,000 units per year. Chrysler built 805 Vipers for the 2013 model year.

Since the first sale was recorded in February, Chrysler has sold 426 Vipers in the United States. This doesn’t sound so bad until you learn that dealers have another 565 currently in stock. That equates to a 289-day supply of unsold cars. Yipes!

From 2014

Demand for the latest SRT Viper is currently so weak, that Chrysler has decided to stop production of the V10 sports car for at least two months. In the first two months of this year, just 91 cars were sold.

Given that SRT had 756 unsold Vipers at the beginning of March, you can see the logic behind suspending production.

[King T]

Originally Posted by Number 3

GM has a coupe. Two actually. Coupes sell like crap. They sell like hatchbacks and station wagons.

Unfortunately true on all 3 aspects. I really love wagons too. All those cool BMW, Benz, and Audi wagons that never get over here. The CTS wagon was awesome, especially the V version, but didn't sell.

Coupes are a dying market. I wanted GM to make a Cruze coupe (a more reasonable ask) that I could have gotten as a daily driver, even possibly a Cruze SS (especially after how good the 2008-2010 Cobalt SS was)

but alas I couldn't even get that.

[King T]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Right after I got it painted. Black with torch red stripes.



Here's a video of the idle after I adjusted the carb a little.

[Q'smuscle]

Originally Posted by King T

It looks like a Chevy because the designer designed both.

As far as the Malibu looks, it's kind of a twist of fate thing. The guy who designed the VF Commodore also designed the Malibu. It was on VF Commodore first, but got delayed and the Malibu came up and got some of the design cues. When the VF was back on track now people think it follows the Malibu.



Holden Designers Flex Muscles for Athletic Malibu

Wow! That's crazy that he was the one to design both because the Malibu looks a 100% times better and has a muscle look to it! That SS anybody could've did better than!

Originally Posted by King T

Unfortunately true on all 3 aspects. I really love wagons too. All those cool BMW, Benz, and Audi wagons that never get over here. The CTS wagon was awesome, especially the V version, but didn't sell.

Coupes are a dying market. I wanted GM to make a Cruze coupe (a more reasonable ask) that I could have gotten as a daily driver, even possibly a Cruze SS (especially after how good the 2008-2010 Cobalt SS was)

but alas I couldn't even get that.

How much did the coupes sell back in the 60's. a month or year?Because I'd say the Camaro and mustang is selling at a profit and really well! Because who the heck is buying 10,00 Camaros in a month? That's a lot of Camaros! And we know coupes has a limited audience because most ppl only want or can afford a all in one car! Most just want a car to get them from point A to point B! This is my weekend car! So I don't have to worry about a point A to point B . This is why Toyota is selling so well nomatter what recall issues they have!

[King T]

Originally Posted by Q'smuscle

How much did the coupes sell back in the 60's. a month or year?Because I'd say the Camaro and mustang is selling at a profit and really well! Because who the heck is buying 10,00 Camaros in a month? That's a lot of Camaros! And we know coupes has a limited audience because most ppl only want or can afford a all in one car! Most just want a car to get them from point A to point B! This is my weekend car! So I don't have to worry about a point A to point B . This is why Toyota is selling so well nomatter what recall issues they have!

Coupes were huge sellers in the 1960's. Every manufacturer had multiple coupes (and wagons). Fast forward to now and most manufacturers have one to two coupes, and a few don't have any.

The luxury market seems to be the only thing that supports multiple coupes in a lineup. Mercedes has 4 coupes (C, E, S class coupes, SLS), BMW has 4 (2, 4, 6 series, i8), Audi has 3 (A5, TT, R8).

Yes the Mustang and Camaro sells very well monthly. The Camaro sales are double the Challenger sales


This is why I couldn't see a larger than current Camaro coupe selling better. This size or slightly smaller is the sweet spot of sales.

[Q'smuscle]

Originally Posted by King T

Coupes were huge sellers in the 1960's. Every manufacturer had multiple coupes (and wagons). Fast forward to now and most manufacturers have one to two coupes, and a few don't have any.

The luxury market seems to be the only thing that supports multiple coupes in a lineup. Mercedes has 4 coupes (C, E, S class coupes, SLS), BMW has 4 (2, 4, 6 series, i8), Audi has 3 (A5, TT, R8).

Yes the Mustang and Camaro sells very well monthly. The Camaro sales are double the Challenger sales


This is why I couldn't see a larger than current Camaro coupe selling better. This size or slightly smaller is the sweet spot of sales.

Yea, I agree! The 60's seem like almost every car was a coupe and most were even bigger I think ? I think the challenger could be the right size for a Chevelle because I don't think the size has been the problem, more like the interior and not having a convertible! Plus I think thar there are double more Chevy and Ford fans!


That Cadillac ELR is a Sweet car! I can't believe they made it!

[JAX CAMARO]

I 'm hoping for a new Chevelle someday from Gm, I love my 2011 Camaro and the mods I did were to take the place of my long ago sold 70 Chevelle SS.
Here is what she sounds like: crank it up!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=1TEz3Q_3xwg

[Q'smuscle]

Originally Posted by JAX CAMARO

I 'm hoping for a new Chevelle someday from Gm, I love my 2011 Camaro and the mods I did were to take the place of my long ago sold 70 Chevelle SS.
Here is what she sounds like: crank it up!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=1TEz3Q_3xwg

Wow! That's how I want mines to sound soon. I had those same exact stripes on my car when I bought it! And I love that color! I wish these car would move from side to side or shake like the 60's and 70's car when you are just standing there and Rev it!


To bad you had to sell that 70 chevelle! That's my favorite year for the Chevelle but I do love the 71 circle taillights!

[JAX CAMARO]

That's what the Cam change does and she has a little shake going on when you are sitting at idle. I love that feel !