2015 Challenger Hellcat 707 HP

[Col. Brain]

Originally Posted by motorhead

From a 30+ year drag racer, sorry but you make no sense to me. These aren't race cars they are street cars. If I want to complete like it sounds like you're talking about, then I'll get my 69 out of retirement and out run these new cars. The only way to compare what manufactures have produced is to compare how they perform in stock form. Once the modding begins than there are to many variables involved to make a comparison any more.Like I said., you wouldn't be spewing any of your nonsense if our camaros were on the winning side of this argument.

[Runin11z]

Originally Posted by Col. Brain

None of this info has been made available. I am basing judgement on what Chrysler/Dodge/SRT has been doing lately.

And to think when the first SRT4 came out - they sold upgradable turbo kits that made that car fly

I really hope they are planning something similar with the Hellcat but recent history is telling me not to hold my breath.

Hell Mopar has been teasing the Viper guys with a new performance ecu for a few months now and still no word (and they wonder why they cant sell the damn car)

Exactly it's all variable at this point as to if the ECM will be setup with a new encryption, so let's not speculate on to whether or not the Hellcat can be tuned..

Understandable
However, the ZL1 came out when? 2011? It is 3 years later (4 model years) and just now Dodge is finally stepping up to the world of supercharged V8 muscle cars.

Around the same time as the 662 GT500, and we've been playing catch up ever since..

I mean Ford did this back in 2003 with their Mustang when the Camaro died.

Factories will keep 1 upping each other to generate sales. In 2016 the Camaro will most likely be lighter with an LT engine making 460hp (at least). Probably not far from a 2017 Z Camaro with the LT4 etc.

That is 2 model years after the Hellcat.

Don't forget Ford is testing a GT350 now that could very well run faster laps than the Z/28


Unless you have the means to keep buying the latest and greatest car - you will be forced to improve the performance of your car to keep pace.
The bitching about GM being "3rd place" is silly. It is a 580hp car from the factory that runs 12 flat stock and a few tweaks from being in the 10s and being a daily driver at that!!!!!

Here is some food for thought.. The iconic muscle cars of yester-year are highly sought after nowadays, and out of those cars which ones bring in the highest dollar amount the highly modded pro touring cars or the bone stock numbers matching all the way down to the bias ply polyglass tire cars? A good example is the '70 Chevelle Ls6 it's a highly sought after car now and you can attribute that to it having the highest HP rating in it's time.


This is why i think the bench racing over magazine times is just plain silly. If they concern you that much then i dont know what to say - buy a Hellcat and wait for the gen 6 camaro zl1 to come out

It may be silly or stupid to you, but I for one want to see Chevrolet on top of the game and not always resorting to ring times and road courses it makes us look silly as 99.9% here will never run a ZL1,Z/28 on the Nürburgring...

[1987GNX]

Blah blah street legal..blah blah price. If you're gonna market your car as NHRA certified and drag car this at least try 😄 *Flame suit ENGAGED*

[Runin11z]

Originally Posted by 1987GNX

Blah blah street legal..blah blah price. If you're gonna market your car as NHRA certified and drag car this at least try 😄 *Flame suit ENGAGED*

Ummmm isn't that what the COPO and Challenger drag pack are built for?? Talk about trying to derail the thread... Nice try though...

[1987GNX]

Originally Posted by Runin11z

Ummmm isn't that what the COPO and Challenger drag pack are built for?? Talk about trying to derail the thread... Nice try though...

Calm down sparky untwist your emotional panties it's a joke. If you want to defend the Challenger you can join the Elitists on ChallengerTalk....

[SEVEN-OH JOE]

Originally Posted by URBAN LEGEND

We done?

We SHOULD be.

But WAIT!

Originally Posted by motorhead

I know tons of people that leave their cars stock.

Said the ol' drag racer.

That statement is just about the dumbest thing I've ever read on this site.

Now you are a Newb.

Originally Posted by Runin11z

It's not so much about stock times as it is about having to mod the car to run against stock cars in the same segment...

Less dumb?

Originally Posted by motorhead

From a 30+ year drag racer...

The only way to compare what manufactures have produced is to compare how they perform in stock form.

you wouldn't be spewing any of your nonsense

You would think age and experience would bring with it a certain maturity and clarity. But you might be wrong.

Originally Posted by Runin11z

It may be silly or stupid to you

No, just sadly entertaining. Until we started to hear the same things for the umpteenth time.

Like the CJ - COPO - Drag Pack inclusion

Oh WAIT!

Originally Posted by Runin11z

Ummmm isn't that what the COPO and Challenger drag pack are built for??

Talk about trying to derail the thread...

Say it ain't so! Actually, that happened about page 3 or 4. But thanks for playing.

Originally Posted by 1987GNX

Calm down sparky untwist your emotional panties it's a joke.

Said the sonic. Who is sonic-ing MORE than one GM site, talking up the Hellcats and talking down GM for its continuous fails. Perhaps you could replace Robin Williams if they revive Comic Relief?

If you want to defend the Challenger you can join the Elitists on ChallengerTalk....

"Otherwise, go to GMI and stir the pot some more."

No way, Jose! Why would sensible people go to "the source" for their info? We'd rather slam GM at camaro5. And GMI. And...

[75 MORE pages ensue]

[Runin11z]

That's funny because I probably currently own more Chevrolet products than you have ever purchased in your lifetime...

Do you own a ZL1? Because I do and I know where it stands as far as straight line performance... I'm not afraid of a little Hellcat talk as most are here.. And I definitely won't stick my head in the sand like an ostrich and make a long ton of excuses...

[1987GNX]

Originally Posted by SEVEN-OH JOE

We SHOULD be.

But WAIT!



Said the ol' drag racer.



More dumb? Dumberer?



Less dumb?



You would think age and experience would bring with it a certain maturity and clarity. But you might be wrong.



No, just sadly entertaining. Until we started to hear the same things for the umpteenth time.

Like the CJ - COPO - Drag Pack inclusion

Oh WAIT!



Say it ain't so! Actually, that happened about page 3 or 4. But thanks for playing.



Said the troll. Who is trolling MORE than one GM site, talking up the Hellcats and talking down GM for its continuous fails.

"Otherwise, go to GMI and stir the pot some more."

No way, Jose! Why would sensible people go to "the source" for their info? We'd rather slam GM at camaro5. And GMI. And...

[75 MORE pages ensue]

I'm not 87GNX you tard. I've been hating the Hellcat from the start but Please continue your blind rage I'm enjoying my popcorn.

[Runin11z]

It's whatever you say chief... I currently own over a dozen Chevrolet vehicles yet I'm the hater and troll, maybe I should live up to that statement and trade my ZL1 in for a Hellcat..

If you haven't been paying attention let me bring you up to speed, most here are claiming the Hellcat won't run manufacturer claimed times (delusional if you ask me) since when have any magazine times been on par with enthusiasts times? This is purely a debate and I'm sorry it's taking place on "your precious forum"... Where you can bury your head in the sand like an ostrich...

[SEVEN-OH JOE]

Originally Posted by 1987GNX

I'm not 87GNX you tard. I've been hating the Hellcat from the start

Originally Posted by 1987GNX

Calm down sparky untwist your emotional panties it's a joke...

See what Comic Relief that "it's a joke" is?

Same for runnin'. "Selective editing".

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by motorhead

I'll get my 69 out of retirement and out run these new cars.

I bet "your" 10 second 69 Camaro isn't stock.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Runin11z

Here is some food for thought.. The iconic muscle cars of yester-year are highly sought after nowadays, and out of those cars which ones bring in the highest dollar amount the highly modded pro touring cars or the bone stock numbers matching all the way down to the bias ply polyglass tire cars? A good example is the '70 Chevelle Ls6 it's a highly sought after car now and you can attribute that to it having the highest HP rating in it's time.

I've never believed modern muscle would ever be worth the $$$ of the revered classics but will admit that a large part of my planning to have Lingenfelter put the LPE700 on my car is to help retain value now and in the future. Like Badwin Motion or Nickey car, it adds legitimacy to the work.

I've modified all my cars for performance while keeping 100% factory appearance.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

I bet "your" 10 second 69 Camaro isn't stock.

Nope definitely not, but I also don't compare it to factory cars either. That just doesn't make sense. It too was purchased and built to do one thing and that's to race. To me, what is great about cars like the , ZL1, gt500, and Hellcat is that a person can simply by one and go have fun without any more cost than a helmet and maybe some new tires every so often. I loved dragracing back in the day, but it was very expensive to do what cars like the Hellcat can do off the showroom floor. Plus you can drive it to work, to the store, take it on trips and more.
The 69 had to go back on trailer until next week. To say it's stupid to compare stock times just makes no sense at all. That just tells me that the person that makes such a statement is just a sore looser.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by motorhead

Nope definitely not, but I also don't compare it to factory cars either. That just doesn't make sense. It too was purchased and built to do one thing and that's to race. To me, what is great about cars like the , ZL1, gt500, and Hellcat is that a person can simply by one and go have fun without any more cost than a helmet and maybe some new tires every so often. I loved dragracing back in the day, but it was very expensive to do what cars like the Hellcat can do off the showroom floor. Plus you can drive it to work, to the store, take it on trips and more.
The 69 had to go back on trailer until next week. To say it's stupid to compare stock times just makes no sense at all. That just tells me that the person that makes such a statement is just a sore looser.

Did the 70 Hemi Cuda or 65 427 Cobra suddenly become a POS once a modern ZL1, GT500 or Hellcat could outrun them? The ZL1 hasn't been king since less than a year after it was introduced. We all get that. Still a great car and even better with mods.

It's not stupid to compare stock times but in the same way there will always be a guy moded faster than you, the next MY (we hope) will be better than the last. The ZL1 was a slick piece of engineering that I hope future generations will look back on with a nod of approval. We don't have to proclaim it a loser