2015 Challenger Hellcat 707 HP

[tones2SS]

Originally Posted by McRat

If torque was an answer, then a Spark EV econobox would hose most exotic cars off the line. 400ftlb at the motor at 0 rpm, 0 mph.

It can?!?! Then how come it doesn't?!?!

Originally Posted by macwest

No way a bone stock zl1 will dyno at 535 RWHP using base of 1.17 multiplier that means the zl1 is making 625 HP.

I completely agree. NO WAY a bone stock ZL1 is 535 at the wheels. No way.
If that's the case, then like you said the crank HP number is not 580.

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by HEMI DAVE

I think those are pics from the Challenger event @ Portland....no VHT was present there also....

Take a look at the track...with timers and a tree. Take a look at the pavement...DARK at the starting line-out, and much lighter on the edges of each lane. With a CONCRETE Launchpad...

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/.../photo_15.html

What makes that cement so DARK? That isn't water, is it? That isn't fresher pavement, is it?

Uh...VHT, maybe?!

Runs were made, and those runs were timed, in the presence of many, @ PIR.

Where are the 6-Speed times? Motor Trend says they'll be reported "later". Why?

So the order bank for those 3,000 or so cars can be filled BEFORE you find out the Automatic times are AS GOOD AS IT GETS...and the Stick is about GT500-worth. NO BIG headlines in that "news", is there?

"Automatic, with OUR drivers, and confirmed by NHRA [on a prepped track], it's the QUICKEST MUSCLE CAR EVER!"

Your times may vary...especially with a 6-Speed.

Off-topic (but not really):

"Copy" sells magazines which, in case you haven't been paying attention, are in a great deal of trouble...and shrinking, by circulation and therefore by title, almost daily. Here's what recently happened @ Source-Interlink (ex. PRIMEDIA ex. Petersen Publishing), home of Motor Trend et al, and this was just in the auto area.

http://jalopnik.com/heres-how-former...ing-1583470716

[HEMI DAVE]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Take a look at the track...with timers and a tree. Take a look at the pavement...DARK at the starting line-out, and much lighter on the edges of each lane. With a CONCRETE Launchpad...

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/.../photo_15.html

What makes that cement so DARK? That isn't water, is it? That isn't fresher pavement, is it?

That's Hell Juice from the Hellcat

Uh...VHT, maybe?!

No..Hell juice....

Runs were made, and those runs were timed, in the presence of many, @ PIR.

Where are the 6-Speed times? Motor Trend says they'll be reported "later". Why?

Good question...I want to know them too.....

So the order bank for those 3,000 or so cars can be filled BEFORE you find out the Automatic times are AS GOOD AS IT GETS...and the Stick is about GT500-worth. NO BIG headlines in that "news", is there?

"Automatic, with OUR drivers, and confirmed by NHRA [on a prepped track], it's the QUICKEST MUSCLE CAR EVER!"

I wont order a 6 speed manual till I know......

Your times may vary...especially with a 6-Speed.

Manual times always vary.......

Off-topic (but not really):

"Copy" sells magazines which, in case you haven't been paying attention, are in a great deal of trouble...and shrinking, by circulation and therefore by title, almost daily. Here's what recently happened @ Source-Interlink (ex. PRIMEDIA ex. Petersen Publishing), home of Motor Trend et al, and this was just in the auto area.

http://jalopnik.com/heres-how-former...ing-1583470716

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[Whos_Drivin]

Originally Posted by 4VFTW

the vast majority of people are in no way capable of pushing a Boss 302 to its limits and the comfort of knowing you will rule the streets with a tire change is well worth the price of admission. Dodge deserves every performance enthusiasts praise for delivering this beast at this price regardless of what brands nuts you swing from.

Just because someone can't drive a car to its limits doesn't mean they aren't going to be faster with that car than another. I'll probably never push my ZL1 to its limit in the turns, but I sure as hell can take it faster through the turns than any other car I've driven. As other reviews have said, it instills confidence, which leads to faster cornering. I'd put money on the average person will be able to drive the ZL1 faster in the twisties, street or track, than the Hellcat.

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by BobDigi5060

You're reaching. In most cases the Shelby was faster around a track in these reviews.

Hellcat has got more motor and will silence the critics.

Weight-to-Power:

GT500 = 3850/662 = 5.82...on 285-section tires...mid/upper 11s

ZL1 = 4120/580 = 7.10...on 305-section tires-rear...low 12s

Hellcat-Automatic = 4400/707 = 6.22...on 275-section tires...11s

Hellcat-Stick = 4300/707 = 6.08...on 275-section tires..."times to be determined"

How will the TWO-Point-TWO TON TONY "blow away" the competition, with a Stick? It and the GT500 have similar "adjustable" suspension; there's less power loss with a log-axle than IRS; they share a 57/43 weight distribution...and the Dodge has tires from a $33,000 Camaro SS.

Just curious...

[4VFTW]

short of side stepping the clutch on slicks the Automatic will be as good as it gets when you are talking about a 6+spd automatic with a PD blower, this will only be a surprise to those who have not been paying attention for the last 5 years.

Nowadays you dont buy a manual car for straight line performance , the Autos rule there now. You buy a stick for more precise control and a more "spirited" driving experience , but even the gap there is closing as auto technology advances.

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by HEMI DAVE

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Is that your version of "no mas"?!

Should be...



And, because you're now linked undeniably to Boz Scaggs, may I offer this as musical consolation for your Dodge Love? Listen to the very end...Hellcat will meet an "angel"!

[HEMI DAVE]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Is that your version of "no mas"?!

Should be...



And, because you're now linked undeniably to Boz Scaggs, may I offer this as musical consolation for your Dodge Love? Listen to the very end...Hellcat will meet an "angel"!

LMAO....That's my version of Ralphs "STAY TUNED!!" for 6 speed results....

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by 4VFTW

You buy a stick for more precise control and a more "spirited" driving experience , but even the gap there is closing as auto technology advances.

...so that you might keep up with 1LEs and BOSS '02s costing $15-20K less...

Good call.

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by HEMI DAVE

LMAO....That's my version of Ralphs "STAY TUNED!!" for 6 speed results....

You didn't wait for the angel, did you?

Also see 4VFTW for his frank (or was that ralph) assessment of a 6-speed Kitty...

[4VFTW]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

...so that you might keep up with 1LEs and BOSS '02s costing $15-20K less...

Good call.

No i'd buy the A8 if I was buying and the race would be over by the 1st turn...no 1LE or Boss drivers would have the stones to try to pass me on the outside

[LOWDOWN]

That's Hell Juice from the Hellcat

The more I think of it, and the more "revelations" are shared, I don't smell "cat"...

I smell SKUNK...about this whole P.R.-fueled deal. There are now soooo many asterisks and "conditions", from Mother Mopar AND the "hungry for a story" media about this Hellcat that it's difficult to discern "what is".

NO credible 6-Speed times...and they DO offer one, don't they?

"Pavement-only testing"...while proudly displaying the cars, on their very own website, on an OBVIOUSLY VHT-treated CONCRETE Launchpad...

Tree 'n electronic timers present...but relying on an onboard timer?!

I'm NOT picking on Motor Trend. If you go to any other online review, currently posted, they show the SAME cars in the SAME place...using the SAME onboard timers...and getting well-less than the ADVERTISED TIMES while the cars sit surrounded by the VERY "conditions" FCA is touting in their "11.2-FASTEST EVER!" tagline...

Yup...SKUNK.

I am actually from Missouri, so SHOW ME.

Maybe Consumer Reports will set the record straight!

[BobDigi5060]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Weight-to-Power:

GT500 = 3850/662 = 5.82...on 285-section tires...mid/upper 11s

ZL1 = 4120/580 = 7.10...on 305-section tires-rear...low 12s

Hellcat-Automatic = 4400/707 = 6.22...on 275-section tires...11s

Hellcat-Stick = 4300/707 = 6.08...on 275-section tires..."times to be determined"

How will the TWO-Point-TWO TON TONY "blow away" the competition, with a Stick? It and the GT500 have similar "adjustable" suspension; there's less power loss with a log-axle than IRS; they share a 57/43 weight distribution...and the Dodge has tires from a $33,000 Camaro SS.

Just curious...

The Camaro weighs over two ton too, is undeniably slower than the Shelby, and down over 100 horsepower.... The earliest 1/4 times have the Hellcat a 1/2 second faster than the best ZL1 magazine run. So, in this three way race (if that's what you wanna call it) if anyone is getting blown away it's those in the Chevy. I don't know why you even mention the ZL1, the car never hit 11s in a test.

What's it to you that a race between a Shelby and Hellcat is on paper a driver's race?

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

The more I think of it, and the more "revelations" are shared, I don't smell "cat"...

I smell SKUNK...about this whole P.R.-fueled deal. There are now soooo many asterisks and "conditions", from Mother Mopar AND the "hungry for a story" media about this Hellcat that it's difficult to discern "what is".

NO credible 6-Speed times...and they DO offer one, don't they?

"Pavement-only testing"...while proudly displaying the cars, on their very own website, on an OBVIOUSLY VHT-treated CONCRETE Launchpad...

Tree 'n electronic timers present...but relying on an onboard timer?!

I'm NOT picking on Motor Trend. If you go to any other online review, currently posted, they show the SAME cars in the SAME place...using the SAME onboard timers...and getting well-less than the ADVERTISED TIMES while the cars sit surrounded by the VERY "conditions" FCA is touting in their "11.2-FASTEST EVER!" tagline...

Yup...SKUNK.

I am actually from Missouri, so SHOW ME.

Maybe Consumer Reports will set the record straight!

Sounds exactly like the circus that GM put on with the ZL1. At least Dodge said the 10.8 was on DRs. Unlike GM saying the ZL1 ran 11's bone stock only to fine out that the 11 runs were on slicks. They all do it. You just don't see it when GM does it because you sleep in a bowtie shaped bed while cuddling with your "find new road" blanky, and that's fine. But they all do it.