2015 Challenger Hellcat 707 HP

[HEMI DAVE]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...t_first_drive/

Jonny Lieberman, in the Viper-trans'd 6-Speed manual, ran an 11.8 (reported on FB) "with a 2nd gear start, because it was slower when launched in 1st"... Insufficient traction with the OE 275s. No wonder Dodge is reporting DR times, ESPECIALLY with the Automatic and its killer electronics.

Killer electronics: "Activating the Hellcat's launch control system is wonderfully simple. Push the "launch" button on the center stack, step on the brake pedal with your left foot, mash the gas with the right, let go of brake, and voilà." And then, purpose-engineered ELECTRONICS take over...

Killer electronics further explained by Edmunds: "While the Hellcat may not be lightning-quick through the curves, it is breathtakingly fast in a straight line. On Portland Raceway's quarter-mile drag strip, power and technology come together with impressive and easily repeatable results. We chose the easy route with the eight-speed automatic, which amounted to hitting the Launch button in front of the gear selector, pushing hard with the left foot on the brake pedal, stomping the gas pedal to the floor, then releasing the brake pressure completely. Wheelspin is moderated by the launch control system and shifts are violently quick. All you have to do is steer and keep your right foot firmly planted.

Trying to achieve these times without launch control will likely be a lesson in futility. There's a razor-thin line between adequate wheelspin and a massive burnout billowing white smoke."

http://www.edmunds.com/dodge/challen...road-test.html See "Will it dominate the drag strip?"

Hey Lowdown...try as I might I still cant find verification of this 6 speed Hellcat going 11.8 starting in 2nd gear.
The MT article states they started the auto in 2nd gear and got 11.7....it says they are waiting to get a 6 speed to test......

Help a brother out with a link to the 6 speed facebook statement.....pretty please

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by HEMI DAVE

Hey Lowdown...try as I might I still cant find verification of this 6 speed Hellcat going 11.8 starting in 2nd gear.
The MT article states they started the auto in 2nd gear and got 11.7....it says they are waiting to get a 6 speed to test......

Help a brother out with a link to the 6 speed facebook statement.....pretty please

to Edmunds for being smart enough to let the cars electronics work for you to the tune of 11:40s in a non drag strip venue. This is exactly what I had mentioned earlier in this post. Dodge has a very aggressive TC/LC setup it is not performance limiting to the extent the ZL1 and GT500 is. In my 392 this is the exact method I used to extract 12:40s out of the car. Turning the system off which is what the majority will do got me 12:90s. My guess is the other testers who recorded high 11s tried to launch without the nannies.

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by newmoon

to Edmunds for being smart enough to let the cars electronics work for you to the tune of 11:40s in a non drag strip venue.

Direct quote: "The Hellcat leaves the line with all the subtlety of a punch to the gut. After our acceleration run, the in-car performance meter gave us an estimated quarter-mile time of 11.4 seconds."

Uh, that's NOT a valid Chrondek-timed result...that's the car sayin' what it ran.

In the first non-Lieberman Motor Trend test, the car ran 12.0s...with the in-car performance meter AND using launch control: "After our run, the app revealed a 0-60 mph time of 4.1 seconds and a quarter-mile time of 12 seconds at 117 mph."
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz394hxvj6N

...and just today, Motor Trend has updated their LIST:

1. McLaren P1: 9.8 seconds @148.9 mph
2. Porsche 918 Spyder: 10 seconds @145.2 mph
3. Bugatti Veyron: 10.4 seconds @139.9 mph
4. Lamborghini Aventador (U.S. Spec): 10.8 seconds @132.2 mph
5. Porsche 911 Turbo S: 10.9 seconds @123.7 mph
6. Nissan GT-R Track Pack: 11 seconds @125.1 mph
7. Ferrari 458 Italia: 11.1 seconds @125.2 mph
8. Ferrari F12 Berlinetta: 11.3 seconds @ 131.7 mph
9. Audi R8 V-10 Plus: 11.3 seconds @125.8 mph
10. SRT Viper TA: 11.3 seconds @129.3 mph
11: Audi RS 7: 11.6 seconds @120.4 mph
12. Jaguar F-Type V8 S: 11.6 seconds @122 mph
13. Mercedes-Benz E63 S AMG sedan: 11.6 seconds @121.8 mph
14. Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat: 11.7 seconds @125.4 mph...but it IS Number 8 in trap speed...
15: Audi S8: 11.8 seconds @118.3 mph
Honorable mentions: The Shelby GT500 is not included on this list, due to the fact that it is no longer in production. However, if we’re counting, it did the quarter mile in 11.6 seconds at a trap speed of 125.7 mph. The McLaren 12C was recently replaced by the new 650S, which we have yet to test. The last 12C we tested, however, did the deed in 10.8 seconds at 130.7 mph. The CLS63 S AMG and E63 S AMG wagon tied the Hellcat with 11.7-second quarter-mile times.
http://wot.motortrend.com/1408_2015_...#ixzz394iyU5d8

Send your cards 'n letters to Motor Trend...

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by HEMI DAVE

Hey Lowdown...try as I might I still cant find verification of this 6 speed Hellcat going 11.8 starting in 2nd gear.
The MT article states they started the auto in 2nd gear and got 11.7....it says they are waiting to get a 6 speed to test......

Help a brother out with a link to the 6 speed facebook statement.....pretty please

That's because I misspoke...he ran a 11.7 @125.4 in an AUTOMATIC with a 2nd gear start. Which is the best time MT (as per LIST) claims to have run. In an Automatic, on a strip, with VHT present...

Take a look at MT's video...on a STRIP...with VHT present...

Aren't y'all wondering WHY there's a dearth of 1/4-mile times for the 6-Speed manual? That's 'cause it's s-l-o-w-e-r than the Automatic...unless you re-tire it.

Again, my point all along.

BTW, also from MT: "the Hellcat can be wanged around our figure-eight course in 24.7 seconds. That's the exact same time as an Alfa Romeo 4C, actually." That is w-a-a-a-y down the list, for what the Dodge (Fan) Boys claim is "a suspension equal to the ZL1"...

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Aren't y'all wondering WHY there's a dearth of 1/4-mile times for the 6-Speed manual? That's 'cause it's s-l-o-w-e-r than the Automatic...unless you re-tire it. Again, my point all along.
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Did you come up with that theory all by yourself, or did you need help? There is going to be some major pain in the Chevy camp very soon.

[SpeedIsLife]

So the Hellcat is slower in the twists than the ZL1 but is faster in a straight line with roughly Boss 302 handling...

if I were a dodge boy I could live with that

[4VFTW]

"The Hellcat loves straight lines. No surprises there. And Dodge provided the opportunity to solidify this fact with one run on the dragstrip. Activating the Hellcat's launch control system is wonderfully simple. Push the "launch" button on the center stack, step on the brake pedal with your left foot, mash the gas with the right, let go of brake, and voilà. Better yet, pulling up the SRT Performance Pages app in the Uconnect infotainment system will automatically time your run. After our run, the app revealed a 0-60 mph time of 4.1 seconds and a quarter-mile time of 12 seconds at 117 mph. Dodge says the best time it achieved was 11.2 seconds on the quarter mile with street tires (Pirelli P Zero), so we'll see if how close we can get to that time once we snag a Hellcat for testing."

WTF are they saying here? they got one pass at a drag strip but didnt use the track timers and instead used the onboard acceleration time app? you would be better off timing the car on a stop watch.

[HEMI DAVE]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

That's because I misspoke...he ran a 11.7 @125.4 in an AUTOMATIC with a 2nd gear start. Which is the best time MT (as per LIST) claims to have run. In an Automatic, on a strip, with VHT present...

Take a look at MT's video...on a STRIP...with VHT present...

Aren't y'all wondering WHY there's a dearth of 1/4-mile times for the 6-Speed manual? That's 'cause it's s-l-o-w-e-r than the Automatic...unless you re-tire it.

Again, my point all along.

BTW, also from MT: "the Hellcat can be wanged around our figure-eight course in 24.7 seconds. That's the exact same time as an Alfa Romeo 4C, actually." That is w-a-a-a-y down the list, for what the Dodge (Fan) Boys claim is "a suspension equal to the ZL1"...

OK....I cant let you get away with more misinformation

The 11.7 pass was not done on a VHT Prepped drag strip....

It was done on regular old asphalt...YEP
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RIGHT FROM THE MT ARTICLE

"I'd also like to note that this is the closely spaced eight-speed ZF automatic Hellcat, not the longer-geared six-speed manual version. The Shelby had very tall gearing, meaning that you could launch the sucker in first gear, and it was of course a manual. Let's revisit the Ford versus Dodge comparison once we get our hands on the row-your-own Hellcat. Until then, Mopar faithful, have faith! What about the 11.2-second quarter-mile time that Dodge has been trumpeting to the world? [B]Well, half a second (11.7 seconds versus 11.2) is the difference between a prepped VHT surface and the street. All Motor Trend testing is done on asphalt, while Dodge got its big number on the strip.[/B"]

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz394y40Idb

[4VFTW]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

So the Hellcat is slower in the twists than the ZL1 but is faster in a straight line with roughly Boss 302 handling...

if I were a dodge boy I could live with that

the vast majority of people are in no way capable of pushing a Boss 302 to its limits and the comfort of knowing you will rule the streets with a tire change is well worth the price of admission. Dodge deserves every performance enthusiasts praise for delivering this beast at this price regardless of what brands nuts you swing from.

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

So the Hellcat is slower in the twists than the ZL1 but is faster in a straight line with roughly Boss 302 (Base non-LS) handling...

So matching an obsolete stick-axle Mustang (that's down 263 hp) with Dodge's Mercedes-based IRS is "progress"? It trails the GT500 by 4/10s (.80g)...and the ZL1 by ANOTHER 4/10s (.83g)...on the figure-8 (@.77g).

Wait till the Lancia-conceived Challenger replacement arrives. What the Germans started, the Italians will improve upon, no doubt...

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by HEMI DAVE

"I'd also like to note that this is the closely spaced eight-speed ZF automatic Hellcat, not the longer-geared six-speed manual version. The Shelby had very tall gearing, meaning that you could launch the sucker in first gear, and it was of course a manual. Let's revisit the Ford versus Dodge comparison once we get our hands on the row-your-own Hellcat. Until then, Mopar faithful, have faith! What about the 11.2-second quarter-mile time that Dodge has been trumpeting to the world? [B]Well, half a second (11.7 seconds versus 11.2) is the difference between a prepped VHT surface and the street. All Motor Trend testing is done on asphalt, while Dodge got its big number on the strip.[/B"]

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz394y40Idb

Davie-Boy, take a look at the MT video. ON A STRIP WITH VHT present. I don't care what the copy says, OPEN YOUR EYES. Where did they shoot the video?

"Gee, we're at the strip with a TREE and TIMERS, so let's NOT bother to run 'em, let's go to the street and risk life, limb, and driver's license!!!"

[BobDigi5060]

You're reaching. In most cases the Shelby was faster around a track in these reviews.

Hellcat has got more motor and will silence the critics.

[HEMI DAVE]

I think those are pics from the Challenger event @ Portland....no VHT was present there also....

The test was done on asphalt...with a second gear handicap start....and it still ran an 11.7...not too shabby

[rocket403]

Little angry again Lowdown take a pill LOL