2015 Challenger Hellcat 707 HP

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Does the GT500 have an Automatic with killer electronics? No.

Does the ZR1 have an Automatic with killer electronics? No.

Does the Hellcat run high-11s with a Stick? Yes.

Is the hero time for the Hellcat run with an Automatic and killer electronics? YES! YES! A 1000 TIMES YES!

Just wait for the LT4-engined Z06...with Automatic and killer electronics... It won't need DRs to run 10s.

I certainly hope that the new Z06 will be faster than a Challenger that is 1000 lbs heavier. For what they are going to cost it would be a huge failure on GM's part if it isn't.
It speaks volumes about the Challenger that for the flag waiving GM fans that the conversation has shifted focus away from the camaro to the new corvette.

[HEMI DAVE]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Does the GT500 have an Automatic with killer electronics?

Auto?...No...Whats killer electronics to you?

Does the ZR1 have an Automatic with killer electronics?

Auto?...YES... but again...Whats killer electronics?

Does the Hellcat run high-11s with a Stick?

No one knows what it runs, that has never been revealed by Dodge.

Is the hero time for the Hellcat run with an Automatic and killer electronics?

I don't think we have seen the hero times yet......Killer electronics?...Is the Hellcat a hybrid?.....a GTR??? ..So NO...NO ...NO...

Just wait for the LT4-engined Z06...with Automatic and killer electronics... It won't need DRs to run 10s.

I am getting a C7 Z06...so YES...YES....YES!!!....... It better

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[2011shelby]

Originally Posted by motorhead

I certainly hope that the new Z06 will be faster than a Challenger that is 1000 lbs heavier. For what they are going to cost it would be a huge failure on GM's part if it isn't.
It speaks volumes about the Challenger that for the flag waiving GM fans that the conversation has shifted focus away from the camaro to the new corvette.

Agree.

It better outrun the Hellcat for almost twice the price. and it always turns to the "My big brother can kick your a** thread"

[rocket403]

Agree on my big brother comment


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[macwest]

when you have to compare a sports car to a muscle car to keep up with it. It really sounds like dodge did a good job on the hellcat.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by macwest

when you have to compare a sports car to a muscle car to keep up with it. It really sounds like dodge did a good job on the hellcat.

Agree. The Hellcat's claimed ETs sound theoretical. Using the ZR1 and the calculated ET illustrates that. Electronics erasing a 1 lb/HP disadvantage.

[96MrBass]

Before the 392's and this new hellcat dodge had to pretty much bring a Viper to fight its battles if they needed a car mid 12's or better didn't they?

[4VFTW]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

Agree. The Hellcat's claimed ETs sound theoretical. Using the ZR1 and the calculated ET illustrates that. Electronics erasing a 1 lb/HP disadvantage.

So you're saying the NHRA certified a theoretical run? What the ZR1 has ran is irrelevant

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by 4VFTW

So you're saying the NHRA certified a theoretical run? What the ZR1 has ran is irrelevant

It really is amazing the skepticism in here especially coming from the ZL1 camp. Didn’t Chevy come out and state that the ZL1 would run 11s all day long, yet 3-years into ownership and how many have actually done that 2-3? Remember this: “Tony Roma, Camaro ZL1 Program Engineering Manager said after the test, “The ZL1 is great at everything and we’re very proud of that. You can take it to the drag strip and run 11-second quarter-miles all day long”. How about the timer issue with the 2014 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 at Nurburgring many think the fix was in.

Dodge didn’t want to get into that same issue so they took the extra step of getting their claims NHRA certified. Now the accusations come from the group that the NHRA was paid off, Dodge brought a tuned car to the test, it will never happen again. How many reviewers of the car have already stated after driving this car that they have no problem with Dodge’s claims when the car is actually run on a prepared strip. Others say that the Hellcat wasn’t as fast as the GT500 in the motor trend initial test. Different days, different times, and different tracks cannot be taken into consideration.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by newmoon

It really is amazing the skepticism in here especially coming from the ZL1 camp. Didn’t Chevy come out and state that the ZL1 would run 11s all day long, yet 3-years into ownership and how many have actually done that 2-3? Remember this: “Tony Roma, Camaro ZL1 Program Engineering Manager said after the test, “The ZL1 is great at everything and we’re very proud of that. You can take it to the drag strip and run 11-second quarter-miles all day long”. How about the timer issue with the 2014 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 at Nurburgring many think the fix was in.

Dodge didn’t want to get into that same issue so they took the extra step of getting their claims NHRA certified. Now the accusations come from the group that the NHRA was paid off, Dodge brought a tuned car to the test, it will never happen again. How many reviewers of the car have already stated after driving this car that they have no problem with Dodge’s claims when the car is actually run on a prepared strip. Others say that the Hellcat wasn’t as fast as the GT500 in the motor trend initial test. Different days, different times, and different tracks cannot be taken into consideration.

As a ZL1 owner, I think it's great that dodge has this car. Maybe GM will start focusing more in power rather than a car that handles well. Problem is that the GM flag waivers already got a left hook with the Gt500 and now the hellcat has given that knock out blow. They are to dizzy to think straight. Shake it off boys. It will be okay. GM will be back for another fight. Hopefully they don't get knocked out again.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by 4VFTW

So you're saying the NHRA certified a theoretical run? What the ZR1 has ran is irrelevant

No. I was pointing out the NHRA et matches the calculated (theoretical). Feel free to use Viper et rather than ZR1. I'm new to cars at this power level so I only was making reference point to cars that have run similar times.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Dodge didn’t want to get into that same issue so they took the extra step of getting their claims NHRA certified.

It's one giant leap for mankind. Video of the run and slip would be cool to see rather than the Gas Monkey deal.

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by newmoon

It really is amazing the skepticism in here especially coming from the ZL1 camp. Didn’t Chevy come out and state that the ZL1 would run 11s all day long,

No. They posted video showing the ZL1 was capable of 11's stock in both automatic and manual form. The all day long remark was referring to the dependability of the car being able to launch repeatedly and take the drive-line abuse which was a concern when the SS was released - people braking half-shafts due to wheel hop.

Originally Posted by newmoon

yet 3-years into ownership and how many have actually done that 2-3?

About the same percentage of 392 owners who ran the Dodge marketed 12.4 sec 1/4 mile.

Originally Posted by newmoon

Remember this: “Tony Roma, Camaro ZL1 Program Engineering Manager said after the test, “The ZL1 is great at everything and we’re very proud of that. You can take it to the drag strip and run 11-second quarter-miles all day long”.

Except that wasn't what he said, now was it Pinocchio? Nowhere did he say "You can take it to the drag strip and run 11-sec quarter miles all day long".

"We're excited and we're proud of the fact that this car with basically no modification, will come out here and do this, and run it all day long, and we're going to drive them home. Couldn't be happier."

Now if you inferred incorrectly that "it" referred to 11's rather than "the strip", that is your fault. No need to make libelous statements though. Read the entire sentence in context. He is speaking to the durability and livability of the car. To paraphrase, we brought stock cars to the strip, ran them all day long and can drive them home at the end of the day.

Originally Posted by newmoon

How about the timer issue with the 2014 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 at Nurburgring many think the fix was in.

There is no timer issue. Merely <insert fanboy's here> cries of shock at what a well engineered Camaro can do on a track. I suppose there was a timer issue here too?
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._r_comparison/

And the upcoming C&D Lightning Lap where the Z/28 beats the C7 Z51 around VIR - is that a timer issue also?

Originally Posted by newmoon

Dodge didn’t want to get into that same issue so they took the extra step of getting their claims NHRA certified. Now the accusations come from the group that the NHRA was paid off, Dodge brought a tuned car to the test, it will never happen again. How many reviewers of the car have already stated after driving this car that they have no problem with Dodge’s claims when the car is actually run on a prepared strip. Others say that the Hellcat wasn’t as fast as the GT500 in the motor trend initial test. Different days, different times, and different tracks cannot be taken into consideration.

Agree. I don't doubt that with a hundred trips down the 1320', on the right day, at the right track, with an automatic transmission, the Hellokitty can hit 11.2. I think people want confirmation that the car was the same production car they can expect to see in showrooms and to post the time slip for all to see. If I had an NHRA certified time slip of 11.2 to market a car with, you would see a copy of it right in the press release with the NHRA logo on it.

[SpeedIsLife]

Having been at Woodburn in 0-500 ft DA conditions and having seen STOCK L99's, 5.7 R/T's and 5.0's run half a second faster than the "internet" and car magazines say they should I can promise you that there our way to many conditions, both mechanical and environmental, that prevent a accurate prediction or comparison of runs.

One example: 2009/2010 5.7 Challengers running within a tenth or two of 2009 And 2010 6.1SRT challengers despite being 50 horsepower down on paper. Why? Because the 5.7 put down more torque lower in the rpm range then the 6.1. This helps overcome the inertial mass and helped acceleration. Past the 8Th mile the SRT does pass the Rt.

Dodge Hemi Motors have very flat torque curves, and the Hellcat motor puts out 411wheel torque right off of idle, and goes up from there right across the rpm range. That is essentially an eraser to the weight disadvantage the Hellcat suffers against the Camaro.

Strap a stock Hellcat, ZL1 and 5.8 GT 500 on the same dyno in the same conditions, compare the power curves and I think you will see why the hell cat runs so fast