Svt mustang 750hp !!!!!!!

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Ignored? No. Handicapped? Yes.

C6 Z06 505 HP, G5 ZL1 580 HP, C6 ZR1 638 HP

C7 Z06 650 HP, G6 ZL1 ??? HP, C7 ZR1 L88 ??? HP

http://www.corvette7.com/tag/c7-l88/

Corvette isn't competing with the Mustang (I.e Camaro) It's in a different league.

"I wake up every day and come into work looking for ways to beat them (Ford)" - Al Oppenheiser, Camaro Cheif Engineer.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

C6 Z06 505 HP, G5 ZL1 580 HP, C6 ZR1 638 HP

C7 Z06 650 HP, G6 ZL1 ??? HP, C7 ZR1 L88 ??? HP

http://www.corvette7.com/tag/c7-l88/

Corvette isn't competing with the Mustang (I.e Camaro) It's in a different league.

"I wake up every day and come into work looking for ways to beat them (Ford)" - Al Oppenheiser, Camaro Cheif Engineer.

The only Camaro that gets a motor on par with its Corvette counterpart is the Z/28 and that's because they literally had no other option. Not to mention the Z06 was dead when the Z/28 got the LS7. You can't point to the ZL1 and say it makes more than the Z06 to prove your point because it doesn't compare to the Z06.

Al O is the engineer. He has to work with what GM gives him.

I am betting, right now, the Camaro that gets the LT4 will not make anywhere near 650 horsepower.

Getting a trademark on the L88 badge doesn't necessarily mean anything. Chevelle was trademarked the same time and I don't see a new Chevelle coming along.

[ilirg]

I'd at like to think GM will at least match the Vette in the HP department with its lt4 variant Camaro. We know historically they hold the Vette up on a pedestal, but maybe and just maybe this time around they play ball.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

The only Camaro that gets a motor on par with its Corvette counterpart is the Z/28 and that's because they literally had no other option. Not to mention the Z06 was dead when the Z/28 got the LS7. You can't point to the ZL1 and say it makes more than the Z06 to prove your point because it doesn't compare to the Z06.

Al O is the engineer. He has to work with what GM gives him.

I am betting, right now, the Camaro that gets the LT4 will not make anywhere near 650 horsepower.

Getting a trademark on the L88 badge doesn't necessarily mean anything. Chevelle was trademarked the same time and I don't see a new Chevelle coming along.

Aren't you looking past the fact the G5 ZL1 ended up with a more powerful engine than the Z06 and Z/28? Recall my pointing out that the Corvette does not compete with the Mustang (I.e Camaro) as it is much faster in every regard?

Trademark for the L88 was done in 13. Timing makes it reasonable to think this will be affixed to the C7 ZR1.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

Aren't you looking past the fact the G5 ZL1 ended up with a more powerful engine than the Z06 and Z/28? Recall my pointing out that the Corvette does not compete with the Mustang (I.e Camaro) as it is much faster in every regard?

Trademark for the L88 was done in 13. Timing makes it reasonable to think this will be affixed to the C7 ZR1.

Of course I'm looking past the LSA making more power than the LS7, because it's supercharged. It isn't the best supercharged 6.2 liter GM makes either. That is my point.

The 1LE should have gotten the Grand Sport version of the LS3 but it didn't. Why? Because GM isn't going to build the best Camaro possible. They are going to build the best Camaro they can without encroaching on the Corvette.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Of course I'm looking past the LSA making more power than the LS7, because it's supercharged. It isn't the best supercharged 6.2 liter GM makes either. That is my point.

The 1LE should have gotten the Grand Sport version of the LS3 but it didn't. Why? Because GM isn't going to build the best Camaro possible. They are going to build the best Camaro they can without encroaching on the Corvette.

Perhaps a better argument would be that GM did just enough to one up the 2011/12 GT500 when they designed the ZL1. Ford countered immediately as it appears they will the Hellcat. Keep in mind that the ZL1 was in development in 2009 and 580 HP was tall numbers

Putting the dry sump LS3 into the 1LE would have required quite a bit of engineering. It's improvements, as with all past 1LE, were suspension related

[Muscle Car Memories]

Originally Posted by Avenging Orange

For me (and I'm a minority), its not about how much HP you can stuff under the hood. Its more about handling, build quality, styling, comfort......and feeling. Its about the feeling I get about a car........what 'moves' me. As for the Hellcat........I think it will be a beast. I think many will be pleasantly suprised at how well it handles. I think there were some major suspension upgrades. But the Challenger has just never done it for me. I was so in hopes of a 'Cuda rebirth. As for Ford...they lost me with the new Mustang body style...too common to every other Ford. But I digress. Its good to see the competition heating up. I think it forces car manufacturers to build a better product.

Yeaaaa righttttt. I guarantee you that you that if your Camaro had 750hp from the factory you would care less about how fast you can go around a corner....

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

Perhaps a better argument would be that GM did just enough to one up the 2011/12 GT500 when they designed the ZL1. Ford countered immediately as it appears they will the Hellcat. Keep in mind that the ZL1 was in development in 2009 and 580 HP was tall numbers

Putting the dry sump LS3 into the 1LE would have required quite a bit of engineering. It's improvements, as with all past 1LE, were suspension related

Well that blew up in their face, didn't it? Still doesn't change the fact that GM doesn't put their best engines in the Camaro.


Dry sump engines are a recent development for GM cars, as far as I know. The 1LE should have gotten the dry sump LS3.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Well that blew up in their face, didn't it? Still doesn't change the fact that GM doesn't put their best engines in the Camaro.


Dry sump engines are a recent development for GM cars, as far as I know. The 1LE should have gotten the dry sump LS3.

I was trying to help you Bhobbs. You were floundering. I took it away but you apparently missed it.

I have no idea what your saying about the 1LE. You do know it is an option on the SS, right?

[87GNX]

More footage....definitely not the typical engine from ford as of late. Sounds to me Flat Plane.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

I was trying to help you Bhobbs. You were floundering. I took it away but you apparently missed it.

I have no idea what your saying about the 1LE. You do know it is an option on the SS, right?

Yes, I know the 1LE is an option on the SS.

[72MachOne99GT]

Originally Posted by 87GNX

More footage....definitely not the typical engine from ford as of late. Sounds to me Flat Plane.

Looks fast, looks flat on the bumps and cornering, sounds great, seems expensive lol

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Still doesn't change the fact that GM doesn't put their best engines in the Camaro.

Consider this (please) . Development of the ZL1 began in 2009. The goal was to answer the 2009 GT500 that made 500HP and cost $47,950. Assume GM knew the upcoming 2010 GT500 would make 550 HP and cost $48,175.

Available engines* were the LSA ($11,210) and LS9 ($20,410). Delta $9,200. Chevy chose the less expensive LSA but increased its power to 580 HP.

When the ZL1 was introduced at the Chicago Auto Show in February 2011 with a base price of $54,995, it surpassed the GT500 on both the strip and track but was expensive.

You argue that Chevy protected the Corvette by withholding the LS9 yet they introduced key C7 Corvette technology on the Camaro first.

- ZL1 introduced Gen3 magnetic ride control.
- Z/28 co-developed carbon ceramic brakes with the Corvette team and introduced them ahead of the C7 Z06

I would like a LS9 ZL1 too but recognize that given its standard content, it would have pushed the base price into the 60's. That didn't meet the market conditions AT THAT TIME. Ford was ready and one upped them in 2013 but doesn't mean they made it weak to protect the Corvette

* Prices listed are for crate engines on Pace Performance. The LSA (19260164) is the 556 HP version. LS9 (19260165)

[Fenderaddict2]

Originally Posted by ilirg

I'd at like to think GM will at least match the Vette in the HP department with its lt4 variant Camaro. We know historically they hold the Vette up on a pedestal, but maybe and just maybe this time around they play ball.

Why not match it. If BMW can have a 4-door M3 and a 2-door M4, why Can't Chevy have a two seat sports car in the Vette and a 4 seat sports car in the Camaro? My only thought is the Vette, heck American two seat sports cars couldn't survive the lost sales. Look at the Viper, and the fact Ford has never really seen fit to produce a Corvette equivalent...hmmmmm.