2015 Challenger Hellcat 707 HP

[Col. Brain]

Originally Posted by The_Blur

It's a matter of marketing for Dodge. They've been getting away with sloppy performance cars for years without investing in the same stuff as the competition.

For customers, it's a ripoff. People will buy it because they measure their egos by the number of ponies under the hood. Of course, a combination of superior suspension, better grip, lighter body, aerodynamics, and driving skill can beat pure power at the track, even in a straight line. Why should Dodge change their tune? Eventually, their drivers will either get sick of being bested by less powerful cars or the real drivers will just drive something else. It's a ripoff because Camaro and Mustang development teams design a car with more capability in the same price range.

In any case, there's no need to be confrontational about it. The Navy doesn't pay me to track my car, so I don't have the available funds to start my racecar driving career. Racecar driving aside, you can feel the difference between a superior car and an inferior car on the street, and it's obvious you're driving a powerful but inferior Dodge every time. That's not a matter of opinion. It's a matter of engineering and science.

Inferior technology?
Maybe for the road course guys but for me there is ALOT to love about this car.

Launch control with programmable shift points = bracket racers dream.
Slap some DRs and I can run 2 of the slower bracket classes locally and have one hell of a huge advantage.

Drag racing historically has been Mopars bread and butter. Hell the drag pak kicked off the super stock wars again.

If you love flying around a road course - this isnt your car. But the flip of the coin if you love drag racing why buy a z/28?

[sycraft]

The 2015 Dodge Challenger SRT with Hellcat HEMI V-8 engine is rated at 707 hp.
The Challenger's new 6.2-liter Supercharged Hellcat engine is also the first factory supercharged HEMI, as well as Dodge and SRT's first application of V-8 supercharger technology. For the first time in Chrysler Group history, the all-new 2015 Dodge Challenger SRT with a Hellcat engine comes standard with two key fobs -- red and black. The red key fob is the only key that can unlock the full 707 horsepower and torque potential of the Challenger SRT Hellcat engine; while the black key fob limits the driver to a reduced engine output of 500 horsepower.


Wonder if you use the 707 hp key fob if you void the warranty, that is what Bugatti does on the Veyron, one key for "normal" driving and a performance key to unlock the beast and void the warranty.....

[Chris1992]

I HIGHLY doubt the red key will void warranty. The black key is considered a 'valet' key. No use of paddles, can't disable traction control, locked out of first gear, rpms are limited to 4k, and hp is limited to 500.

[Garrett Custom]

Originally Posted by zl1diavolo

I have always loved the look of the Challenger but when I was debating muscle cars it really was not in the mix because of it's performance. This might get the Mopar fans something to cheer about because they need it. That is one angry bunch of people over there! Going through some of their forums and all I could think of was how pissed off they are at the Chevy and Fords just because they are on a different level. I am glad to be a ZL1 owner and have a forum that makes you feel good when you log off!

[07-SRT]

Originally Posted by Spoolin

I think it's funny that nobody noticed that Dodge burned up their clutch after 4 passes while getting their 10.9 1/4 miles time.

Good piece of engineering, however that being said, this car is gonna be a terror on the road. Well done Dodge for bringing a gun to the gun fight! Looking forward to Ford and GM's response, this is an exciting time to be a gear head.

I would think or hope that car has been a test mule and has several 1/4 mile passes, not the first 4 passes on a new test mule, just the 4th pass that day.... If not they have problems....

[Blown355]

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't those 275's on the back. That's not going to cut it with 600 rwhp turning them.

[ilirg]

Question, and this is not meant to stir up debate I'm just curious. How does dodge manage to get so much HP out of their naturally aspirated v8 (not the hell cat but their regular SRT?

[2013 RaceRed 5.0]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

... Until we see what the Hellcat is ACTUALLY putting down, I have no reason to believe it will be faster than the 2013 GT500.

Manual ZL1's
Car&Driver: 0-60, 4.1sec; 1/4mile 12.3 @ 119mph; 4120lbs
MotorTrend: 0-60, 3.8sec; 1/4mile 12.1 @ 117.4mph; 4051lbs
Edmunds: 0-60, 4.1sec, 1/4mile 12.4 @ 116.0mph
Road&Track: 0-60, 3.9sec, 1/4mile 12.1 @ 119.9mph

GT500's
Car&Driver: 0-60, 3.5sec; 1/4mile 11.8 @ 125mph; 3891lbs
MotorTrend: 0-60, 3.8sec; 1/4mile 11.6 @ 125.7mph; 3871lbs
Motorweek: 0-60, 3.5sec, 1/4mile 11.7 @ 126.0mph
Edmunds: 0-60, 3.9sec, 1/4mile 12.1 @ 120.6mph; 3870lbs
Road&Track: 0-60, 3.5sec, 1/4mile 11.7 @ 128.1mph

You say no hero runs, and then you talk about the 392 going low 12's. Where are these low 12 runs? In the past, it has been nowhere near low 12's.

C&D: 0-60 in 4.5, 12.9 1/4mile at 114mph, 4203lbs
MotorTrend: 0-60 in 4.6, 13.0 1/4mile at 111.3mph, 4260lbs
Edmunds: 0-60 in 4.7, 12.9 1/4mile at 111.0mph, 4257lbs
Edmunds: 0-60 in 4.5, 12.6 1/4mile at 112.1mph, 4257lbs

BRAVO!

Research = Knowledge = Truth

There's so much BS/prejudice out there, I had to leave a bunch of forums/car clubs (chevy & ford). After 36 years of owning/racing performance cars, I can spot lies in a nano second. It gets tiring trying to correct people all the time, battling self centered pride in lieu of facts ...

"Fox bodies are"
"F bodies can"
"My 440 ran"
"My GT turned"
"My SS did"
"I'm totally stock" (the worst by far ... hahaha)

Blah, blah, blah. Talk anything of importance these days, and common sense, logic, and facts seem to be the first thing tossed out the window.

[07-SRT]

Originally Posted by ilirg

Question, and this is not meant to stir up debate I'm just curious. How does dodge manage to get so much HP out of their naturally aspirated v8 (not the hell cat but their regular SRT?

485 HP is not that much considering they have 6.4L to work with......

[McRat]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

Simple physics. You can not simply look at marketed horsepower when comparing cars. The M4 is putting 430hp/430lb-ft to the ground and weighs 3,581lbs. When we compare weight/whp ratio's for the two cars:

M4: 3,581/430 = 8.33lb/whp
Z/28 3,862/455 = 8.48lb/whp

Pretty darn close. The biggest difference is the torque curve between the two. The M4 puts down more peak torque (430lb-ft vs 420lb-ft) and more torque throughout the range (forced induction). The M4 in the Car&Driver comparison was also $80,325 as tested.

Turbo motors do better with area-under-the-curve than NA or supercharged engines do.

It's why peak HP is not the best predictor of performance.

[87GNX]

Originally Posted by ilirg

Question, and this is not meant to stir up debate I'm just curious. How does dodge manage to get so much HP out of their naturally aspirated v8 (not the hell cat but their regular SRT?

392 = big cubes, thats how and it's not that impressive to be honest. Ford is getting 444 out of a 5.0 Boss motor, now that's impressive. Anyways, that's the gist of it.

[ilirg]

Got it, I thought it was a 6.1. Thanks!

[McRat]

Originally Posted by ilirg

Question, and this is not meant to stir up debate I'm just curious. How does dodge manage to get so much HP out of their naturally aspirated v8 (not the hell cat but their regular SRT?

Ford has been the big dawg in this area for a long time.

The next base 5.0 is going to be over 420HP.

But the 6.2 Vette engine is no slouch either with 460HP.

Finally, Dodge has come into the hunt. 6.4 with 485HP is right up there.

But what is more important for performance fans is power-to-weight on the driveline. This is an area that GM has dominated for 17 years.

I would not be surprised to see the 6.4 LT1 get a bump next year or 2016.

[4VFTW]

Originally Posted by 07-SRT

All these it can't "turn" comments...lol I guess I should strictly drive my Camaro SS and never drive my SRT because I might encounter a challenge to race in a circle....Never happened since I have been racing starting in 1987.... Don't get me wrong I have been on a road course before and more power to the people that like that, but the majority care about straight line acceleration.. Ford put line lock in the 15 Mustang, when does that get used on a road course? 99% percent of you tube videos are from a dig, roll or 1/4 mile track and very few road courses.

+1000 so many people spouting off about Ring times when 99.3% of people couldn't push a 2000 Civic DX to its limits on a road course without ending up in a ditch. here in Florida the only racing you can do that involves a turn is racing on a expressway on/off ramp....never have seen a pass made there either