2015 Challenger Hellcat 707 HP - Page 10

rocket403 · 06-13-2014, 12:57 AM

Here is a link to the RT 392 Shaker love the sound

newmoon · 06-13-2014, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by rocket403

Here is a link to the RT 392 Shaker love the sound

Holy Shi!, that car sounded mean. Is this a factory option or something he did aftermarket (dual mode exhaust?)

With the pricing on the Hellcat being out of reach, I think this 485-hp Shaker R/T paired with the new 8-speed automatic, will be the hot ticket. Hopefully pricing will be in the lower 40s about the same as a fully optioned SS or GT.

rocket403 · 06-13-2014, 07:43 AM

This is a factory option on the RT 392 Shaker as well as the SRT8 and I think the Hellcat Pricing is not out yet but I would think under SRT8 price for the RT Shaker

v8 · 06-13-2014, 07:44 AM

That sounds awesome

Denis · 06-13-2014, 09:04 AM

im really looking forward to seeing these things start to hit the street. and i really wouldnt be suprised if the price was north of 65k.

DarkneSS · 06-13-2014, 09:05 AM

Honestly this car is a disaster. Who wants something so heavy and so expensive!? If it makes 700 HP it will cost over 70gs and STILL be slower than a GT500. Its like you either chose the ZL1 which is fast around turns and can be easily modded for 1/4, or you get the GT500 for 1/4. Both are cheaper and faster in their own respects.

I love the looks of it and probably would have gotten one over my Camaro if it didn't weigh so damn much. It needs a new platform and a diet BADLY. Just like the current Viper, this Hellcat isn't going to sell well when there are cheaper and better options. The Viper's main problem is the Vette. The hellcat has two, Zl1 AND GT500.

Waste of time making this thing, they should have just started focusing on the next gen.

YLWJKT · 06-13-2014, 09:29 AM

I don't think it's a waste of time. It keeps Dodge in the game with a halo car offering without the expense of a full chassis overhaul, which is coming. Most if not all of the technology developed for the Hellcat can be carried over to a new chassis.
It's also good fro car enthusiasts, even if you don't care for the Dodge brand. It puts pressure on Chevrolet to add some HP to tue ZL1, as well as Ford to produce a 2016 GT500 fire breather. We live in good times car wise.

As far as weight, a Zl1 weighs 4120 -4300lbs, depending on if it has an auto trans or sunroof.
Projected weight for the Hellcat is 4300-4400 lbs. so roughly 100-200 lbs. more.

Will it challenge the ZL1 on the road course? Probably not, especially not with 275 rear tires. It will perform admirably for what it is:. a full sized muscle car that can carry 5 full sized adults fairly comfortably, and look and perform well while doing so.
My largest concern is if it's priced higher than the mid $60's, which is GT500 territory. I think it will put it out of reach for many of us who would consider trading up out of our SRT8's. Time will tell.

newmoon · 06-13-2014, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkneSS

Honestly this car is a disaster. Who wants something so heavy and so expensive!? If it makes 700 HP it will cost over 70gs and STILL be slower than a GT500. Its like you either chose the ZL1 which is fast around turns and can be easily modded for 1/4, or you get the GT500 for 1/4. Both are cheaper and faster in their own respects.

I love the looks of it and probably would have gotten one over my Camaro if it didn't weigh so damn much. It needs a new platform and a diet BADLY. Just like the current Viper, this Hellcat isn't going to sell well when there are cheaper and better options. The Viper's main problem is the Vette. The hellcat has two, Zl1 AND GT500.

Waste of time making this thing, they should have just started focusing on the next gen.

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What makes you so sure it will be slower than the GT500? I'd be willing to bet stock vs stock this Hellcat will win more races on the street and strip due to the 8-speed automatic. Look at what the bolt-on ZL1 automatic cars are running, the Hellcat will most likely start off with similar stock rwhp. It also has fully forged internals, a twin screw supercharger, it will beg for boost modifications.

You also understand that the Hellcat will weigh approx. 2-3% more than the ZL1, and should have a significant hp advantage over it.

I really think the days of lightweight muscle cars are over. Look at the drastic steps taken with the Z/28 and it still is in the 3800-3900 lb range. The new GT will most likely be gaining weight.

rocket403 · 06-13-2014, 10:18 AM

We are now living in the best time for Pony/Muscle Cars I thought going through the 80's and 90's and most of 2000's that we were long past the glory days of the factory Muscle Car, even the Vette was not the car is was back in the day. 69 427 Vette 70 442 W30 Cutlass, 70 Chevelle 454, Copo 427 Camaro, 70 Hemi Cuda, 70 Hemi Roadrunner have now all been upstaged by the current Camaro, Mustang and Challenger in 1/4mile and track performance. The Hellcat has continued that performance tradition of the big three.
A disaster wow I don't see it, I guess everything that is not a Chevy for you is junk can't see past your own dashboard I guess.
I could point out some issues with all of these cars like weight, back seat room, trunk space the list could go on.

MEDISIN · 06-13-2014, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by newmoon

What makes you so sure it will be slower than the GT500? I'd be willing to bet stock vs stock this Hellcat will win more races on the street and strip due to the 8-speed automatic.

Power to weight ratio for one. The GT500 has it. You seem to forget the Hellcat is also available with a 6-speed manual. Guess which one will be included in the inevitable GT500/ZL1/Hellcat comparisons?

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Originally Posted by newmoon

Look at what the bolt-on ZL1 automatic cars are running,

The difference between the fastest ZL1 auto and manual times are:
M6: 12.075 @ 120.01 MPH
A6: 11.717 @ 117.61 MPH

So while the ET is 3/10 lower, the trap is 3mph lower as well. Per your statement above, even if the ET's are close between the GT500 and Hellcat, the GT500 will take it from a roll every time due to P/W advantage.

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Originally Posted by newmoon

the Hellcat will most likely start off with similar stock rwhp. It also has fully forged internals, a twin screw supercharger, it will beg for boost modifications.

You really think the Hellcat will be making 600hp/600lb-ft at the wheels?

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Originally Posted by newmoon

You also understand that the Hellcat will weigh approx. 2-3% more than the ZL1, and should have a significant hp advantage over it.

Your math is fuzzy. Based on projected weight*:
GT500 manual 3891lbs
ZL1 manual 4118lbs
Hellcat manual* 4300-4400lbs

That's 4.2-6.4% additional weight over the ZL1 and 9.5-11.6% additional weight over the GT500. To have the same power/weight ratio as the GT500, the Hellcat would have to put 660hp/ft-lbs TO THE GROUND which isn't happening.

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Originally Posted by rocket403

We are now living in the best time for Pony/Muscle Cars I thought going through the 80's and 90's and most of 2000's that we were long past the glory days of the factory Muscle Car, even the Vette was not the car is was back in the day. 69 427 Vette 70 442 W30 Cutlass, 70 Chevelle 454, Copo 427 Camaro, 70 Hemi Cuda, 70 Hemi Roadrunner have now all been upstaged by the current Camaro, Mustang and Challenger in 1/4mile and track performance. The Hellcat has continued that performance tradition of the big three.
A disaster wow I don't see it, I guess everything that is not a Chevy for you is junk can't see past your own dashboard I guess.
I could point out some issues with all of these cars like weight, back seat room, trunk space the list could go on.

Agree. I think the concern is that Dodge has had 3 years to top the ZL1 and 2 years to top the GT500 and from the looks of it, it won't beat either in their respective strengths. I just hope it's not like the Viper debut. It was a pretty big failure in not outperforming the 6 yr/old ZR1 and sales of the Viper reflect this.

KMPrenger · 06-13-2014, 06:02 PM

Man, and here I was confident the hellcat was going to be pushing upper 600s HP range....of course it is still huge power...I just figured they were going to make everyone's jaws drop and go for 680 or 690 HP. lol

Looking forward to seeing the real deal.

hockeylover86 · 06-13-2014, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by KMPrenger

Man, and here I was confident the hellcat was going to be pushing upper 600s HP range....of course it is still huge power...I just figured they were going to make everyone's jaws drop and go for 680 or 690 HP. lol

Looking forward to seeing the real deal.

I still am hearing rumors of the 700 number...

YLWJKT · 06-13-2014, 07:39 PM

I forget where I read it but now Dodge has claimed most powerful V8 engine ever installed in a Dodge. Some have taken that to mean more than the Vipers 640, but forget the Viper is a V10.
I'm still hopeful of a mid 600 crank hp rating.

KMPrenger · 06-13-2014, 08:12 PM

Last I read, I think they were claiming "more than 600HP and 575TQ"

Well that's all fine and dandy, but usually when manufacturers release these "more than" numbers, the final numbers usually end up being 10 - 20 more and that's it.

So I'm hoping they buck that trend, and we see numbers well past that.

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06-13-2014, 09:04 AM	#131
Denis Drives: 2010 SS Join Date: May 2012 Location: Yorktown Heights, NY Posts: 7,695 View My Garage	im really looking forward to seeing these things start to hit the street. and i really wouldnt be suprised if the price was north of 65k. __________________

06-13-2014, 06:02 PM	#137
KMPrenger Drives: 16 Camaro SS, 15 Colorado Join Date: May 2009 Location: Jefferson City, Missouri Posts: 13,967	Man, and here I was confident the hellcat was going to be pushing upper 600s HP range....of course it is still huge power...I just figured they were going to make everyone's jaws drop and go for 680 or 690 HP. lol Looking forward to seeing the real deal. __________________ 2016 Camaro 1SS - 8-speed - NPP - Black bowties 2010 Camaro 1LT V6 (Sold. I will miss her!)

06-13-2014, 08:12 PM	#140
KMPrenger Drives: 16 Camaro SS, 15 Colorado Join Date: May 2009 Location: Jefferson City, Missouri Posts: 13,967	Last I read, I think they were claiming "more than 600HP and 575TQ" Well that's all fine and dandy, but usually when manufacturers release these "more than" numbers, the final numbers usually end up being 10 - 20 more and that's it. So I'm hoping they buck that trend, and we see numbers well past that. __________________ 2016 Camaro 1SS - 8-speed - NPP - Black bowties 2010 Camaro 1LT V6 (Sold. I will miss her!)

06-13-2014, 07:43 AM	#129
rocket403 Drives: 80 Cutlass 403, 2010 FF RT Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ontario Posts: 921	This is a factory option on the RT 392 Shaker as well as the SRT8 and I think the Hellcat Pricing is not out yet but I would think under SRT8 price for the RT Shaker

06-13-2014, 09:05 AM	#132
DarkneSS Account Suspended Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS 6MT Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Westchester, New York Posts: 3,715	Honestly this car is a disaster. Who wants something so heavy and so expensive!? If it makes 700 HP it will cost over 70gs and STILL be slower than a GT500. Its like you either chose the ZL1 which is fast around turns and can be easily modded for 1/4, or you get the GT500 for 1/4. Both are cheaper and faster in their own respects. I love the looks of it and probably would have gotten one over my Camaro if it didn't weigh so damn much. It needs a new platform and a diet BADLY. Just like the current Viper, this Hellcat isn't going to sell well when there are cheaper and better options. The Viper's main problem is the Vette. The hellcat has two, Zl1 AND GT500. Waste of time making this thing, they should have just started focusing on the next gen.

06-13-2014, 09:29 AM	#133
YLWJKT Drives: 2017 ZL1 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 327	I don't think it's a waste of time. It keeps Dodge in the game with a halo car offering without the expense of a full chassis overhaul, which is coming. Most if not all of the technology developed for the Hellcat can be carried over to a new chassis. It's also good fro car enthusiasts, even if you don't care for the Dodge brand. It puts pressure on Chevrolet to add some HP to tue ZL1, as well as Ford to produce a 2016 GT500 fire breather. We live in good times car wise. As far as weight, a Zl1 weighs 4120 -4300lbs, depending on if it has an auto trans or sunroof. Projected weight for the Hellcat is 4300-4400 lbs. so roughly 100-200 lbs. more. Will it challenge the ZL1 on the road course? Probably not, especially not with 275 rear tires. It will perform admirably for what it is:. a full sized muscle car that can carry 5 full sized adults fairly comfortably, and look and perform well while doing so. My largest concern is if it's priced higher than the mid $60's, which is GT500 territory. I think it will put it out of reach for many of us who would consider trading up out of our SRT8's. Time will tell.

06-13-2014, 10:18 AM	#135
rocket403 Drives: 80 Cutlass 403, 2010 FF RT Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ontario Posts: 921	We are now living in the best time for Pony/Muscle Cars I thought going through the 80's and 90's and most of 2000's that we were long past the glory days of the factory Muscle Car, even the Vette was not the car is was back in the day. 69 427 Vette 70 442 W30 Cutlass, 70 Chevelle 454, Copo 427 Camaro, 70 Hemi Cuda, 70 Hemi Roadrunner have now all been upstaged by the current Camaro, Mustang and Challenger in 1/4mile and track performance. The Hellcat has continued that performance tradition of the big three. A disaster wow I don't see it, I guess everything that is not a Chevy for you is junk can't see past your own dashboard I guess. I could point out some issues with all of these cars like weight, back seat room, trunk space the list could go on.

06-13-2014, 07:39 PM	#139
YLWJKT Drives: 2017 ZL1 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 327	I forget where I read it but now Dodge has claimed most powerful V8 engine ever installed in a Dodge. Some have taken that to mean more than the Vipers 640, but forget the Viper is a V10. I'm still hopeful of a mid 600 crank hp rating.