GM Recalls

[MikeSVX]

I can't stand crowded key rings anyway. The only thing on my Camaro key ring is a house key. My wifes van keys drive me crazy. At one point it was a wad about the size of a baseball in your hand. When it was in the ignition it would hang down about six inches (keep it clean people....). Every time it would swing around, it would hit my leg. I would get annoied with it on long drives and pull a bunch of the crap off and through it in the glove box. She would get mad at me and tell me to stop messing with her keys. Guess now I got justification for removing all that crap. It's a 2001 Chevy van.

[Spartan01]

wait, what's the deal with the key rings?

[tc Bosnian]

Doesn't matter how many keys or junk I have on my key chain. I shouldn't have to worry about it. As stated above I too hate when there's to much junk on a key chain but when there is I shouldn't have to worry killing the engine.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by tc Bosnian

Doesn't matter how many keys or junk I have on my key chain. I shouldn't have to worry about it. As stated above I too hate when there's to much junk on a key chain but when there is I shouldn't have to worry killing the engine.

You're just wearing out your ignition by hanging everything but the kitchen sink off your keys. There's no reason for it.

[tc Bosnian]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

You're just wearing out your ignition by hanging everything but the kitchen sink off your keys. There's no reason for it.

Did you read the full comment? I said I don't do it or like it but if I do I shouldn't have to worry about it.. Worst part is that they knew about this issue and let it roll?? Come on that's just BS. I work as a quality engineer at a tire manufacturing and this would shutdown our plant in a heart beat. Remember Firestone several years back?? Idk I just feel safety and quality should be their first thought. For employees and especially consumers.. Disappointing.

[FenwickHockey65]

And I never said it was acceptable.

What I'm saying is anyone who does it is just going to end up with a worn out ignition. If ignition recall wasn't a problem, no you wouldn't have to worry about your engine shutting off but you'd end up with a problem at some point.

Again, no reason for it. It's just bad vehicle care for any car.

[el ess A]

I have a difficult time with the "What? Really? When did that happen?" attitude from GM's lawyers. I get corporate hand-hiding after taking a cookie from the cookie jar tactics, but Mary needs to get in front of this one and fast. They probably shouldn't hide behind the "that was the OLD GM" excuse for this one. Many people don't differentiate the legal status when they start to write their check for a vehicle purchase. To many customers, GM is and always has been the same GM. Read any of their "history" and they're always proud to tout things like "back in 19xx this was a great thing for GM" as if GM was never split in the first place. But in court, they want you to believe GM of today never existed in the 19xx's. Which is it? An apology alone isn't going to cut it when people have died from a result of an alleged faulty vehicle. If they are at fault and responsible heads don't roll, then something's amiss.

It does raise a few questions. Where was Mary when all this was happening to begin with? Hasn't she been in the upper management arena for a good while now? If the reports are indeed true about this has been a known issue, I find it kind of difficult to believe this hasn't been discussed in engineering meetings once or twice while she was head of global engineering.

Maybe this may have them look at the keyless ignition system and have Pushbutton Starts on the new cars???

I believe in corporate responsibility as I do personal accountability. I just hope they do the right thing, even if it is not a "legal responsibility" thing. If people sense that, they'll be ok.

[Bad@ssCamaro]

Originally Posted by el ess A

I have a difficult time with the "What? Really? When did that happen?" attitude from GM's lawyers. I get corporate hand-hiding after taking a cookie from the cookie jar tactics, but Mary needs to get in front of this one and fast. They probably shouldn't hide behind the "that was the OLD GM" excuse for this one. Many people don't differentiate the legal status when they start to write their check for a vehicle purchase. To many customers, GM is and always has been the same GM. Read any of their "history" and they're always proud to tout things like "back in 19xx this was a great thing for GM" as if GM was never split in the first place. But in court, they want you to believe GM of today never existed in the 19xx's. Which is it? An apology alone isn't going to cut it when people have died from a result of an alleged faulty vehicle. If they are at fault and responsible heads don't roll, then something's amiss.

It does raise a few questions. Where was Mary when all this was happening to begin with? Hasn't she been in the upper management arena for a good while now? If the reports are indeed true about this has been a known issue, I find it kind of difficult to believe this hasn't been discussed in engineering meetings once or twice while she was head of global engineering.

Maybe this may have them look at the keyless ignition system and have Pushbutton Starts on the new cars???

I believe in corporate responsibility as I do personal accountability. I just hope they do the right thing, even if it is not a "legal responsibility" thing. If people sense that, they'll be ok.

This sort of publicity just might lead them into that arena...if it's a safer alternative. I say that because in today's world, anything that is mechanical in nature and tied into an electrical system, there have to be safeguards in place to protect the consumer. You can push that button to start your car, but if there is a short somewhere, or a malfunction that could possibly lead to a fire, there will be more issues that will be created. There is nothing really foolproof as long as the human factor is involved IMO.

GM just needs to come up with a solution that will help their customers feel comfortable again and it appears that they are going to do it in a short time frame instead of in a long drawn out process.

[tc Bosnian]

I love GM I do I have two GM vehicles. Hell my 99 1500 runs like a champ other than the common rust under the door.. Right now, let's say I'm in the market to purchase a vehicle and this news pops up. Guess what I'm going elsewhere. Especially knowing that "Upper Management" knew about the issue. I honestly believe this is going to kill their sales. It has too. I just hope its going to be fixable..

[sycraft]

Manufacturer # of Recalls # of Vehicles Recalled

TOYOTA MOTOR ENGINEERING & MANUFACTURING

12 5,330,643

HONDA (AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO.)

16 3,363,343

GENERAL MOTORS LLC

17 1,476,319

FORD MOTOR COMPANY

24 1,398,837

CHRYSLER GROUP LLC

13 1,334,541

SUBARU OF AMERICA, INC.

4 962,123

BMW OF NORTH AMERICA, LLC

15 561,335

MAZDA NORTH AMERICAN OPERATIONS

2 269,890

HYUNDAI-KIA AMERICA TECHNICAL CENTER INC

5 261,543

KIA MOTORS CORPORATION

3 240,235

NISSAN NORTH AMERICA, INC.

13 215,640

AMERICAN SUZUKI MOTOR CORP.

5 110,908

PORSCHE CARS NORTH AMERICA, INC.

4 22,235

VOLKSWAGEN OF AMERICA, INC

5 15,894

VOLVO CARS OF N.A. LLC.

3 15,379

MERCEDES-BENZ USA, LLC.

6 10,556

JAGUAR LAND ROVER NORTH AMERICA, LLC

4 4,314

DAIMLER TRUCKS NORTH AMERICA

21 137,127

NAVISTAR, INC

20 68,497

BOMBARDIER RECREATIONAL PRODUCTS INC.

3 46,559

KAWASAKI MOTORS CORP., U.S.A.

5 39,037

HINO MOTORS SALES U.S.A., INC.

1 35,168

MITSUBISHI FUSO TRUCK OF AMERICA, INC.

5 32,347

VOLVO TRUCKS NORTH AMERICA

3 26,026

MACK TRUCKS, INC

8 20,489

PACCAR INCORPORATED

8 16,976

MORGAN OLSON CORPORATION

3 16,193

NAVISTAR, INC.

5 15,458

ISUZU MANUFACTURING SERVICES OF AMERICA

1 14,756

DUCATI NORTH AMERICA

10 14,545

TRIUMPH MOTORCYCLES AMERICA LTD

2 10,610

WINNEBAGO INDUSTRIES INC.

9 6,972

FOREST RIVER, INC.

8 6,835

POLARIS INDUSTRIES, INC.

1 6,618

VERMEER MANUFACTURING COMPANY

6 5,295

ALTEC INDUSTRIES INC.

9 5,042

BLUE BIRD BODY COMPANY

12 3,997

THOR INDUSTRIES

6 3,643

TIFFIN MOTORHOMES, INC.

6 3,597

TRISTATE LEATHER

1 3,164

2012 Vehicle Recalls by Manufacturer

This analysis should not be interpreted as an indication of what NHTSA thinks of any particular manufacturer or

its products. Since these summary numbers do not factor in or weight averages based on production, the largest

OEMs tend to top the list each year. These tallies are not used to evaluate manufacturers or to evaluate which

recalls the agency may need to investigate or monitor. There are a host of reasons why a manufacturer could have

more or fewer recalls in a given year or over time – including, but not limited to, the introduction of new

technology, its barometer for measuring risk, which could be more conservative or liberal as contrasted to other

manufacturers or the industry as a whole, or other variables.

NEW FLYER INDUSTRIES LTD.

3 3,100

COLLINS BUS CORPORATION

7 3,073

NATIONAL AUTO SPA

1 2,958

JAYCO, INC.

5 2,910

GOSHEN COACH

1 2,802

HARLEY-DAVIDSON MOTOR COMPANY

1 2,798

GLAVAL BUS DIVISION

4 2,582

STARCRAFT BUS

3 2,292

MASERATI NORTH AMERICA, INC.

2 2,253

PREVOST CARS, INC.

16 2,136

STARTRANS BUS CORPORATION

3 2,065

KEYSTONE RV COMPANY

5 1,980

COACH AND EQUIPMENT MFG CORP.

2 1,964

GULF STREAM COACH, INC.

2 1,945

SPECIALTY AUTOMOTIVE TREATMENTS

1 1,878

COTTRELL, INC.

1 1,767

AUTOCAR, LLC

4 1,732

THOR MOTOR COACH

4 1,712

DRV SUITES

1 1,701

AUTOMOBILI LAMBORGHINI

2 1,635

COACHMEN RV COMPANY, LLC

1 1,449

TRACKER MARINE L.L.C.

3 1,433

FISKER AUTOMOTIVE, INC.

2 1,396

QINGQI GROUP MOTORCYCLE CO., LTD

2 1,318

AIRSTREAM, INC.

3 1,303

DUTCHMEN MANUFACTURING, INC.

4 1,292

MOBILITY WORKS

1 1,219

SOUTHEAST AUTO ACCESSORIES

1 1,194

KTM NORTH AMERICA, INC

1 1,181

TURTLE TOP

3 1,071

CHAMPION BUS, INC.

5 1,064

GULF STATES TOYOTA, INC.

2 1,035

HAMPTON ROADS SUNROOFS

1 1,023

ZERO MOTORCYCLES INC.

3 1,019

MEDTEC AMBULANCE CORPORATION

1 977

NEWMAR CORPORATION

4 976

MOTOR COACH INDUSTRIES, INC

3 973

MOBILITY TRANSPORTATION SERVICES

1 928

UTILIMASTER CORPORATION

2 928

FLEETWOOD RV, INC.

2 916

ELKHART COACH

3 888

NEW FLYER INDUSTRIES LTD

3 742

NORTH AMERICAN BUS INDUSTRIES, INC.

4 691

SPARTAN CHASSIS, INC.

5 665

GILLIG CORPORATION

1 657

VAN HOOL N.V.

5 646

AUTO TRIM DESIGN OF MID MARYLAND

1 626

NATIONAL VAN BUILDERS, INC.

1 605

PIERCE MANUFACTURING

3 598

GENIE INDUSTRIES, INC.

1 537

REINKE MANUFACTURING COMPANY, INC.

1 507

QUALITY VAN SALES, INC.

1 472

NEW ENGLAND WHEELS

1 435

VEHICLE PRODUCTION GROUP LLC

1 435

TRANS TECH BUS

5 424

MCNEILUS TRUCK & MANUFACTURING

2 381

CYCLONE AUTO SEAT COVER

1 380

MOBILITY SERVICES, INC.

1 355

COLUMBUS CAR AUDIO

1 333

KAUFMAN TRAILERS, INC.

1 302

VOLVO CARS OF N.A., LLC

2 295

MITSUBISHI MOTORS NORTH AMERICA, INC.

2 282

CROSSROADS RV

4 279

DIAMOND COACH CORPORATION

1 278

AZURE DYNAMICS CORPORATION

1 261

ENTEGRA COACH

2 261

UD TRUCKS CORPORATION

1 261

NESCO BUS MAINTENANCE

1 231

POLLET AUTOMOTIVE

1 230

DAIMLER BUSES NORTH AMERICA, INC.

2 229

CREATIVE BUS SALES, INC.

1 227

NEWELL COACH CORP.

1 210

WILDFIRE MOTORS, INC.

1 202

KOVATCH MOBILE EQUIPMENT CORP

2 198

SETRA OF NORTH AMERICA

1 198

PJ TRAILERS

1 194

TEMSA GLOBAL

2 193

COACH AUTOMOTIVE RESTYLING-CHATSWORTH

1 188

SUPER TEST CORPORATION

1 175

ASTON MARTIN

1 169

STRICK CORPORATION

1 160

FEATHERLITE, INC.

2 158

MCCLAIN TRAILERS, INC.

1 146

ROADTREK MOTORHOMES INC.

1 145

LIPPERT COMPONENTS, INC.

1 143

AUTOCAR INDUSTRIES, LLC

3 122

FORETRAVEL, INC.

1 121

UTILITY TRAILER MANUFACTURING COMPANY

2 111

CATERPILLAR INC.

1 104

STARCRAFT RV, INC.

2 98

J & R AUTO UPHOLSTERY SHOPPE

1 96

SUNROOFS OF COLUMBIA

1 91

LOTUS CARS USA, INC.

1 80

CODA AUTOMOTIVE

1 78

HEARTLAND RECREATIONAL VEHICLES, LLC

2 75

FERRARI NORTH AMERICA INC

1 74

TEMSA GLOBAL SANAYI VE TICARET A.S.

1 71

AUTO DETAILER

1 69

ROLLS-ROYCE MOTORS, INC.

1 69

CAMPAGNA MOTORS

1 67

C & C FORD

1 63

SHOWHAULER TRUCKS INC.

1 63

CORP. MICRO BIRD, INC.

3 62

BRAUN CORPORATION

1 60

ARBOC SPECIALITY VEHICLES, LLC

1 57

MOBILITY CONQUEST LLC

1 48

CRUISER RV

1 47

PHENIX ENTERPRISES, INC.

1 42

NOVA BUS

2 41

JERR-DAN CORPORATION

1 37

MAIN MOBILITY, INC.

1 34

TRAILS WEST MANUFACTURING OF IDAHO

1 34

NBC TRUCK EQUIPMENT, INC

1 32

GEO. HEISER BODY CO., INC.

1 28

ZTECH AUTOMOTIVE IMPROVEMENTS

1 26

DAVIS EQUIPMENT CORPORATION

1 25

WILSON TRAILER COMPANY

1 24

BLOOMER TRAILER MANUFACTURING INC

1 23

EZ LOADER ADJUSTABLE BOAT TRAILERS, INC

1 21

BIG TEX TRAILER MANUFACTURING, INC.

1 20

EXECUTIVE COACH BUILDERS

1 19

B & M MANUFACTURING COMPANY

1 18

JEFFCO AUTO TRIM AND GLASS

1 16

PETERSON INDUSTRIES, INC.

1 16

ELDORADO NATIONAL - CALIFORNIA, INC.

1 15

TAYLOR-DUNN MANUFACTURING COMPANY

1 15

MAXEY TRAILERS, INC.

1 14

CALIFORNIA TRAILER WORKS, INC.

1 12

TRAILMASTER INC.

1 12

Z-TECH OF PEORIA

1 12

EXPRESS TRAILERS

1 10

ROLLS RITE TRAILERS

1 10

TEXAS PRIDE TRAILERS

1 10

ELDORADO NATIONAL- CALIFORNIA, INC.

1 9

PARKER TRAILER SALES, INC

1 7

ROADCLIPPER ENTERPRISES, INC.

1 7

AUTO RESTYLING

1 6

ALUMINA, INC

2 5

MO TRAILERS

1 5

P&B TRUCK ACCESSORIES

1 5

RESTYLING CONCEPTS

1 5

STOLL TRAILERS, INC.

1 5

ANDERSON MFG INC.

1 4

BUTLER TRAILER MFG CO, INC

1 4

CIRCLE W TRAILERS

1 4

DOUBLE K INC.

1 4

GULF TRAN

1 4

4-STAR TRAILERS, INC

1 3

C DIAMOND F DBA. NECKOVER TRAILERS

1 3

CRANE CARRIER COMPANY

1 3

NU WA INDUSTRIES, INC.

1 3

ALUMINUM TRAILER COMPANY

1 2

CAM SUPERLINE, INC

1 2

CUSTOM BUILT GOOSENECK TRAILERS, INC.

1 2

DELTA MFG., INC

1 2

ELITE TRAILERS, INC.

1 2

HME INCORPORATED

1 2

MOLLY CORPORATION

1 2

TRIAD TRAILERS LLC

1 2

UNITED EXPRESSLINE, INC.

1 2

UNIVERSAL TRAILER CORP. INC.

1 2

BELMONT MACHINE CO.

1 1

FALCON TRAILER WORKS, INC.

1 1

INTERSTATE TRAILER, INC.

1 1

MIDSOTA MANUFACTURING INC.

1 1

PRIME-TIME SPECIALTY VEHICLES

1 1

ROYAL CARGO TRAILERS INCORPORATED

1 1

TIGER TRAILERS, INC.

1 1

Grand Total 586 16,219,061

[derklug]

Recalls happen, but what leads up to the recall is where the consumer gets a bad impression of a company.
Discover a problem, get with the NHTSA, issue recall and fix problem....little negative publicity.

Discover a problem, do nothing, hide problem, blame customer, get hauled kicking and screaming into a recall.....bad publicity, legal woes, and $1B to the gov for fighting.

GM seems to be in example two ( Like Toyota was) and needs to get the brakes on before this starts down that nasty slope.

[MikeSVX]

Originally Posted by Spartan01

wait, what's the deal with the key rings?

It was determined that excssive weight on the key ring or a sharp bump can cause the key to jump to the off position in some of the GM vehicles. This causes the vehile to shut down and can disable the brakes and steering. This situation has resulted in several accidents some of which has involved fatalities.

[2011shelby]

TV lawyers are now in on this.

saw a commercial today for lawyers filing suits against GM for the faulty ignition switches.

[el ess A]

Originally Posted by el ess A

...Mary needs to get in front of this one and fast. They probably shouldn't hide behind the "that was the OLD GM" excuse for this one. Many people don't differentiate the legal status when they start to write their check for a vehicle purchase. To many customers, GM is and always has been the same GM. Read any of their "history" and they're always proud to tout things like "back in 19xx this was a great thing for GM" as if GM was never split in the first place. But in court, they want you to believe GM of today never existed in the 19xx's. Which is it? An apology alone isn't going to cut it when people have died from a result of an alleged faulty vehicle. If they are at fault and responsible heads don't roll, then something's amiss.

And what do they do??...argh. They won't ever learn.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...A3F0VR20140416

I guess they'll do the Toyota thing and gamble people will be really pissed, they'll lose tons of cash because buyers won't buy, your GM cars might be worth piss on trade-in...but they won't care. They'll come back again.

So, please GM. I love you and everything, but if you come out with a 50th anniversary anything before the next 45 years are up (when the "new" GM is actually 50), you'll be just as big of a hypocrite as the government that fed you. Sometimes even the ones you love do really stupid things. And I'm guessing the courts will allow it.

You all with 45th anniversary Camaros...according to GM lawyers, you're living a legal lie. Those that are divorced might get this one...I just recently celebrated my 28th anniversary with my first wife...oh, wait, I divorced her in 1991. Does that make any sense to keep celebrating an anniversary when legally we're not married anymore?