2015 Ford Mustang REVEALED (official pics)

[derklug]

I don't see all the surprise that Ford would seek to use something above them to set their benchmark. There is already parity between the Camaro and Mustang, so why not shoot higher?

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by Firefighter

Aesthetics aside (it does look cheesy as hell though) there is no way that that caliper can match the repeatability of a FULL set of Brembos. I know you are unique in having real world experience with both cars but obviously someone like Randy Probst who commented on the superior braking in the ZL1 (I believe it was head to head between the ZL1/GT500 or was it the 1LE/GT Track Pack? I've been looking for the video) vs. the GT500. There might be something to it.

Listen everyone knows that the majority of the braking is from the front. If you can get a car to stop "flatter" by getting the rears to do more work you disrupt the cars balance less and therefore go through a turn better.

You never did say which car you were faster in. There's a reason why professional drivers get better course times out of the ZL1 more often than not. There is more to going fast around a track than Horse Power. It's a total package. Now down the 1/4 mile HP/TQ is way more pertinent.

That might be why they stick to those little rear brakes to facilitate Drag Radials.

You do realize that in the h2h matchups between the ZL1 and 500 it was basically a split correct? Stop hanging your hat on the lightning lap which is not valid as the cars were not run on the same day, nor in the same conditions.

I'll mention this again. Real world racing 5.0 vs SS or ZL1 vs 500, the mustang wins 90% of the time in the 0-60, 1/8 mile, 1/4 mile, street light to streetlight, roll race, and top speed. The 500 splits the track racing with the ZL1. So I ask what is the better performance car for the street? But hey I guess when you get blown away in any of the above you can say . but my car won the lightning lap and is easier to drive

[ford20]

It's funny how the Boss 302S and Boss 302 R seem to all be getting along pretty well with the single piston rear caliper but now it is the worst thing in the world.

[right to travel]

they want the base gt to beat the boss around track??? They do know the GT with track pack has done that several times right???

[SEVEN-OH JOE]

Parity?

With no GT500 moving forward, Ford was finally forced into the 21st Century with the full-line adoption of IRS, the single-greatest improvement for this platform. NOT just to align with Camaro and EVERYBODY ELSE, but to fully satisfy the other part of this platform's Business Case. Yes, a 4-dr RWD Lincoln version.

And if Ford now has "parity" with Camaro, what will a Camaro with near-10% leanness deleted from its platform mean for competitiveness, moving forward? Quickly. With their enhanced powerteams?

By most calculations (and conspicuous by its absence in the Great Reveal), the '15 GT will be lucky to lose 100 lb. Not the 200+ that Ford misled people to believe would be across the board. Is that because the platform had to be built to a LINCOLN standard as opposed to a plebeian EuroStang set of stats?

AGAIN, with respect to the BOSS, Ford has confused the marketplace by using ONE name with TWO versions. And version LS is faaaar superior in certain environs that the mere base BOSS.

More obfuscation.

[TheReaper]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

-New cams with 1mm more intake lift and 2mm more lift on the exhaust side
-New cylinder heads with revised high-flow ports and slightly larger valves
-Mid-lock cam phasers to provide greater range of cam timing on the intake side
-A revised intake manifold with charge-motion control valves.
-The forged connecting rods from the current Boss 302 engine
-The forged balanced crank from the current Boss 302 engine
-Revised piston tops
-The valve springs from the current Boss 302 engine
-Standard oil cooler

It'll have the Cobra Jet intake cams, Boss exhaust cams, Boss heads with bigger valves (that even the CJ did not get), Boss rotating assembly, and a new intake manifold with IMRC's to better manipulate the airflow from the manifold to the heads. Honestly to expect a gain of only 6hp over that RoadRunner V8 seems to just be a bit of naivety. Remember that the RoadRunner heads are CNC'd so larger valves and a optimized intake manifold could and very well should hit the 475 number...even before DI is used.

That sucks. I hope somebody will be selling delete plates.

[Punk_rider]

What I think is pretty weird or unexpected is not the fact that it seems a majority of people on this forum is thinking this car is beautifu,l even if I think it is some kinda cheap Aston / Jaguar styling with design elements stolen from the Camaro. nah, I can understand that people may not agree with me.

What i really think is weird around here is that so many people are saying they're gonna sell their Camaros for this new Mustang ... that's crazy, one week ago, that camaro was the most beautiful car ever to so many of us and now, it's gone, the new kills the "old". That's crazy to change your mind so fast, so radically, I really can't understand that.

Even if you could find another car appealing, it would take me a year before being able to get rid of my "love" for my Camaro ...

[Firefighter]

Originally Posted by newmoon

You do realize that in the h2h matchups between the ZL1 and 500 it was basically a split correct? Stop hanging your hat on the lightning lap which is not valid as the cars were not run on the same day, nor in the same conditions.

I'll mention this again. Real world racing 5.0 vs SS or ZL1 vs 500, the mustang wins 90% of the time in the 0-60, 1/8 mile, 1/4 mile, street light to streetlight, roll race, and top speed. The 500 splits the track racing with the ZL1. So I ask what is the better performance car for the street? But hey I guess when you get blown away in any of the above you can say . but my car won the lightning lap and is easier to drive

If you guys can honestly say that more brake is not a good thing you need your heads checked.

As far as 90% that is a ridiculous overestimation.

Take a Track Pak VS. 1LE Fords choice the GT+ Trak Pak gets owned. The 1LE is better matched by the hallowed Laguna Seca.

The majority of non biased drivers prefer to drive the ZL1 it can't be argued. The GT500 has how much more power? 82+ HP and 75+ FTLBS and it's splitting races? Just shows that Brakes/Tire/Suspension DO make a difference.

The Z/28 proves it's not ALL about HP when you go around a track.

Now when this new Mustang comes out and the specs tell me that the following is either true or probable...

1) It only gained 20HP/10FTLBS
2) While it gained 100lbs of unsprung weight
3) While barely addressing it's weak brakes
4) Finally they added an IRS maybe it'll help
5) The tire size and compound are still inadequate
6) It's looks are subjectively more feminine and at the very least resemble a Fusion.
7) I'm not overly worried...

I'll leave it at that because you guys are just Trolling.....

[Bizlipkick]

Originally Posted by SEVEN-OH JOE

The thread was created to show that Ford is more than capable of obfuscating the facts. Publicly. Something their camp and legions seem to think, recently, is a "GM-exclusive".

As far as what individuals from their side think and say, let 'em show their faces and share their "first-hand knowledge", or total lack thereof. They love to quote Shelby, and Jamal, and Dave when it suits their purposes. This time, Dave is being Dave, making statements that are open to wide interpretation, but will be repeated as FACT.

No pun intended, but time will tell. To even hint that a "Base Mustang" will conquer the world of current 911s and M3s ( a car a BOSS LS had its hands full with) is simply an outrageous statement to make. Unsupportable by true public fact.

When the magazine tests appear, with production-line vehicles instead of tarted-up pre-production versions, we'll rejoin this thread that was created for posterity.

Your right. I think evidence to the fact is that Ford would not put a Boss (a truly bad ass car, and honestly if I could have swung one when I was purchasing I would have had a hard decision) against a 1le for a comparo. Ford knows it has its hands full with the current camaro. All you need to look at is the c7 vette. I think its lovely how people are praising the mustang now but forgetting a few months ago gm rolled out probably one of the most affordable, reliable (time will tell with DI, but I put my money on GM L - series motors) super cars probably ever. Its a fools bet to count the 6gen camaro out. And I think the people who chuck their camaro's out for the next gen mustang will be surly disappointing in 2015 when the 6gen rolls.

[Bizlipkick]

Also, all motor



. I think when comparing ford against chevy, the vette should be compared against the cobra. Price range is the same

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Firefighter

If you guys can honestly say that more brake is not a good thing you need your heads checked.

As far as 90% that is a ridiculous overestimation.

Take a Track Pak VS. 1LE Fords choice the GT+ Trak Pak gets owned. The 1LE is better matched by the hallowed Laguna Seca.

The majority of non biased drivers prefer to drive the ZL1 it can't be argued. The GT500 has how much more power? 82+ HP and 75+ FTLBS and it's splitting races? Just shows that Brakes/Tire/Suspension DO make a difference.

The Z/28 proves it's not ALL about HP when you go around a track.

Now when this new Mustang comes out and the specs tell me that the following is either true or probable...

1) It only gained 20HP/10FTLBS
2) While it gained 100lbs of unsprung weight
3) While barely addressing it's weak brakes
4) Finally they added an IRS maybe it'll help
5) The tire size and compound are still inadequate
6) It's looks are subjectively more feminine and at the very least resemble a Fusion.
7) I'm not overly worried...

I'll leave it at that because you guys are just Trolling.....

The point is simply that rear brakes have much less impact. Weight transfer to the front under moderate to heavy braking is huge so yes you need good rear brakes you just don't need as much of it. So the question is if you are putting your $$$ into the car do you do the fronts or rears? I think the SS only has Brembos up front now for that reason.

So you are correct you can get better rear brakes but do you need them?

[TheReaper]

Originally Posted by Bizlipkick

Your right. I think evidence to the fact is that Ford would not put a Boss (a truly bad ass car, and honestly if I could have swung one when I was purchasing I would have had a hard decision) against a 1le for a comparo. Ford knows it has its hands full with the current camaro. All you need to look at is the c7 vette. I think its lovely how people are praising the mustang now but forgetting a few months ago gm rolled out probably one of the most affordable, reliable (time will tell with DI, but I put my money on GM L - series motors) super cars probably ever. Its a fools bet to count the 6gen camaro out. And I think the people who chuck their camaro's out for the next gen mustang will be surly disappointing in 2015 when the 6gen rolls.

The 2016 Mustang will be rolling with a bunch of performance upgrades. I wouldn't count Ford out when the 6th gen rolls.

[Firefighter]

Originally Posted by Number 3

The point is simply that rear brakes have much less impact. Weight transfer to the front under moderate to heavy braking is huge so yes you need good rear brakes you just don't need as much of it. So the question is if you are putting your $$$ into the car do you do the fronts or rears? I think the SS only has Brembos up front now for that reason.

So you are correct you can get better rear brakes but do you need them?

The standard SS comes with 4 piston Brembos all around. The 1LE runs the same brakes except they are painted Red. Fact is the rear rotor is larger diameter than the fronts on the SS. There must be something to rear brakes...

The ZL1 uses the same rear brakes but steps up to 6 piston fronts. Front rotor is larger diameter in this case.

The detriment of the weight shift from over dependence on the front brakes is real and shouldn't be discarded.

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[derklug]

Originally Posted by SEVEN-OH JOE

Parity?

The 2014 Mustangs and Camaros are at a level that makes the driver the main difference in performance, so yes, parity. Going forward, the new Mustang is only being offered in the Base performance levels for the first year, upgraded models(Boss, Mach, SVO, or Cobra, whichever names they use) are reported to be coming out in the 16 model year. Right now everything being written is like making a whole dinosaur out of one toe bone. We will all just have to wait and see what the real specs are, hopefully by the NAIAS.