2015 Ford Mustang REVEALED (official pics)

[SEVEN-OH JOE]

Originally Posted by Bizlipkick

allot of my car guy friends are jumping on the 2015 Mustag bandwagon "it will destroy a 5 gen" "Outhandles EVERYTHING OMG z/28 SUX"-

You state this as if it were FACT. It ain't. How many of your car guy friends have driven a 15 Mustang? Thought so. So what you troll with, as FACT, is simply FORD FANBOI CHITTER-CHATTER. Right? Or worse.

Do not hide your competitive patch with "other people say" stuff. We know where to go to find those asinine remarks.

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by Firefighter

I'm talking stock showroom cars. The 1LE is better around the track than a Boss 302 and hell it gives the GT500 hell the ZL1 is faster around a track then don't make me bring up the Z/28... If you want to talk real race cars I will bring up the C5R and the C6R and one can only assume the C7R will keep up the tradition.

I don't think there's much argument that the 1LE is the better road course car straight off the production line. Unfortunately for the purposes of comparison, there really isn't any standardized entry-level road course competition or even a consistent yardstick for making corner-carving comparisons like there is for drag racing, so there's neither a clear way nor a large enough sample size to establish by how much.

I agree with you, and out at least to the extent of holding the comparisons involving modifications down to a reasonably street-legal level. Overall, a car that's fun half a dozen times a year because you can't license it for road use or get it through inspection can end up being less fun than if the modding was stopped at a more moderate point that would enable it to be at least usable in daily driving.

Originally Posted by Firefighter

I have a feeling this is going to be one BIG expensive fun as hell mistake... lol

I've been helmet hunting and also talking my G8 buddy through some mods and talking smack about the new Mustang all at the same time the past couple of days. My wife isn't going to be able to deal with me pretty soon. lol

Listen in the long run we all gotta remember that the better the other side gets the better our side will get. It's a win, win for all of us.

Check out SafeRacer.com for helmets and other safety gear . . . and consumables such as brake pads and even GoPro video cameras.


About getting bitten by the bug on this . . . it's been snowing here in NJ long enough for 5 or 6 inches to have accumulated, and I'm spending more time trying to decide which tires to run on for a track day next Saturday than I am in working up the ambition to shovel out. My wife doesn't track or autocross, but the track days are becoming the reason for us to get in a getaway weekend.



Norm

[6bangerBOOM]

Originally Posted by Firefighter

I've been saying that for years... IDK why it hasn't been invented yet.

Mark twain tried to invent it, but it never caught on. He suggested that an exclamation point in parenthesis should be the punctuation we use to denote sarcasm. I like the idea personally.

Ex: I'm so happy that the affordable health care act has jacked up my health insurance(!)

[Mobyd]

Fusion

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

-New cams with 1mm more intake lift and 2mm more lift on the exhaust side
-New cylinder heads with revised high-flow ports and slightly larger valves
-Mid-lock cam phasers to provide greater range of cam timing on the intake side
-A revised intake manifold with charge-motion control valves.
-The forged connecting rods from the current Boss 302 engine
-The forged balanced crank from the current Boss 302 engine
-Revised piston tops
-The valve springs from the current Boss 302 engine
-Standard oil cooler

It'll have the Cobra Jet intake cams, Boss exhaust cams, Boss heads with bigger valves (that even the CJ did not get), Boss rotating assembly, and a new intake manifold with IMRC's to better manipulate the airflow from the manifold to the heads. Honestly to expect a gain of only 6hp over that RoadRunner V8 seems to just be a bit of naivety. Remember that the RoadRunner heads are CNC'd so larger valves and a optimized intake manifold could and very well should hit the 475 number...even before DI is used.

Did they say the new heads are CNC ported?

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by big hammer

true. GM has no 500+ hp engines....

Nothing they would put in a base V8 Camaro.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by NVmyZL1

Had a ZL1. I sold it a little while ago. I did run both cars on the same tracks, primarily Barber and Road Atlanta, and neither both cars performed great at those venues and braking was never an issue at any point.

I agree that Brembos on the rear look better, but in my experience, they really don't make any significant difference from a braking standpoint. I think if you read the press on the new Mustang, you will see it has an improved suspension and the GT is getting 6 piston Brembos and bigger discs all the way around.

As for tires, I ran a 19x9.5 wheel with a 265/30 tire on the front and 19x11 wheels in the rear mounted with 305/30's on my former Boss and have that same setup on my GT500 with no issues. If Ford chooses to run a narrower tire setup from the factory, I'm sure they have their reasons, but it's not because they can't fit them on the car.

There is actually quite bit of work to package a tire. You can't just plop whatever size you want. You have to include the suspension articulation under a bunch of conditions most folks will never see. Then you have to consider the build variation of the chassis components AND the body. And you have to do this with a grown tire and make sure the CAN NOT touch anything unfriendly that could even remotely damage a tire. Yes you and I can take the liability of putting bigger tires and lowering the suspension. The OEMs can't.

[Bizlipkick]

Originally Posted by SEVEN-OH JOE

You state this as if it were FACT. It ain't. How many of your car guy friends have driven a 15 Mustang? Thought so. So what you troll with, as FACT, is simply FORD FANBOI CHITTER-CHATTER. Right? Or worse.

Do not hide your competitive patch with "other people say" stuff. We know where to go to find those asinine remarks.

Whoa whoa whoa guy, watch it. I quoted the first one from a text message from a friend, who said I quoted ANYTHING in regards to the 2015 mustangs as fact? And I thought the L33t speak with the z/28 comment would show that I was generalizing, I guess reading comprehension is above some people. I was eluding to the fact that, as you so eloquently put it, that it is ALL FORD FANBOI CHITTER-CHATTER (would you like me to put a reference for you since I plagiarized your work?). I grew up in a group of competitive car guys, who all like to talk shit (look at any of these new reality drag race shows, it's just something we do), so yes, I have allot of friends talking shit, especially because I got rid of a 5.0 for a camaro. So next time you go all E-thug on a forum, I was pointing to the fact we are all winners these car wars. I am obviously pro GM, as I drive a camaro out of choice, not because I could not afford a Ford or dodge. So calm down before you start hurling accusations. And watch with the troll comments, only one I see doing that is you. Trust me, If I can afford a 2012 2ss/rs 45th, I am pretty sure I could dig out some pocket change for a 2015 mustang. And unlike you, I would not have to validate said purchase bye instigating shit on a car forum (as you obviously created this thread to see an educated discussion on the pro's and cons of both cars, amirite?)

[Firefighter]

Originally Posted by 6bangerBOOM

Mark twain tried to invent it, but it never caught on. He suggested that an exclamation point in parenthesis should be the punctuation we use to denote sarcasm. I like the idea personally.

Ex: I'm so happy that the affordable health care act has jacked up my health insurance(!)

I think with the advent of computers there could be a font that drips or something... lol

Please don't get me started on that fiasco... Republican vs. Democrat is the only thing I get worse about than Chevrolet vs. Ford...

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[Firefighter]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

I don't think there's much argument that the 1LE is the better road course car straight off the production line. Unfortunately for the purposes of comparison, there really isn't any standardized entry-level road course competition or even a consistent yardstick for making corner-carving comparisons like there is for drag racing, so there's neither a clear way nor a large enough sample size to establish by how much.

I agree with you, and out at least to the extent of holding the comparisons involving modifications down to a reasonably street-legal level. Overall, a car that's fun half a dozen times a year because you can't license it for road use or get it through inspection can end up being less fun than if the modding was stopped at a more moderate point that would enable it to be at least usable in daily driving.




Check out SafeRacer.com for helmets and other safety gear . . . and consumables such as brake pads and even GoPro video cameras.


About getting bitten by the bug on this . . . it's been snowing here in NJ long enough for 5 or 6 inches to have accumulated, and I'm spending more time trying to decide which tires to run on for a track day next Saturday than I am in working up the ambition to shovel out. My wife doesn't track or autocross, but the track days are becoming the reason for us to get in a getaway weekend.



Norm

Thanks for the heads up on a place to check. As for the road course comparison it can be even cloudier than the 1/4 mile.

I lived in NJ for a couple of years. I know what you mean and I would be using any excuse to bail during the winter too.

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[Firefighter]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Nothing they would put in a base V8 Camaro.

It's just as likely for Chevy as it is for Ford.


The Coyote got made because of the LS3. We had 426 when you guys had 315. Then you came with 420.

Now the LT1 has 450 you guys are looking to come back with 440? Still down on TQ.

If they do go DI and get 460-470. Chevy does a cam swap...

Do you see how this works?

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[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by Firefighter

It's just as likely for Chevy as it is for Ford.


The Coyote got made because of the LS3. We had 426 when you guys had 315. Then you came with 420.

Now the LT1 has 450 you guys are looking to come back with 440? Still down on TQ.

If they do go DI and get 460-470. Chevy does a cam swap...

Do you see how this works?

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You guys?


GM doesn't change it's motors. The LT1 won't get a cam swap. It will make the same power over its lifespan.

[Firefighter]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

You guys?


GM doesn't change it's motors. The LT1 won't get a cam swap. It will make the same power over its lifespan.

Hmmm just saw your stable. You are a Chevy dude. I was on my cell phone you can't see the stats. These threads make it hard to ID friend or Foe sometimes... lol Sorry

The LS1 Got a couple of cam and intake swaps over it's lifetime. So did the LS6. Also the C4 version of the LT1 got a cam and intake swap but then they called it the LT4. The LS7 just got new Tri-Y headers for the Z/28.

Never say Never my friend, Never say Never...

[SEVEN-OH JOE]

The thread was created to show that Ford is more than capable of obfuscating the facts. Publicly. Something their camp and legions seem to think, recently, is a "GM-exclusive".

As far as what individuals from their side think and say, let 'em show their faces and share their "first-hand knowledge", or total lack thereof. They love to quote Shelby, and Jamal, and Dave when it suits their purposes. This time, Dave is being Dave, making statements that are open to wide interpretation, but will be repeated as FACT.

No pun intended, but time will tell. To even hint that a "Base Mustang" will conquer the world of current 911s and M3s ( a car a BOSS LS had its hands full with) is simply an outrageous statement to make. Unsupportable by true public fact.

When the magazine tests appear, with production-line vehicles instead of tarted-up pre-production versions, we'll rejoin this thread that was created for posterity.