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View Poll Results: What do you think of the style of the 2015 Mustang?
Really like it. 62 21.99%
Undecided, but leaning positive. 80 28.37%
Undecided, but leaning negative. 69 24.47%
Don't like it at all. 71 25.18%
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Old 12-06-2013, 07:03 AM   #449
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Well, unless your colleagues are American, I don't see that being a fair test of the car's ability to be recognized as a Mustang. There just aren't that many mustangs in Europe for any European to discern it's styling as such.

Now, let's assume that your colleagues are actually born and raised Americans. Actually, let's assume that such a test was conducted here in the States. To be fair, even then people might think it's something other than a mustang. Ultimately, my point is that you can show any number of people as many generations of mustang you want, and you'll still have people that think it's something else. The only people with which such a test should be conducted is a group of car enthusiasts. They will undoubtedly discern this new design as a Mustang. I'm sorry, but I don't feel it looks like any thing other than a mustang, for the most part anyway. Maybe if you're placed inside the cabin without badges on the steering wheel and without seeing the car prior you might think it's a Jaguar . The interior is very impressive.
You are correct (none of 'em are americans nor are that aware of american culture - I do a little as i used to live in the land of the free).

BUT, when you look at answers, you see most of people think about euro or japanese cars. I mean, beyong "looking" Mustang or not, they did not recognized the style as american. None of 'em ever thought my 13' 1LE could be japanese.

I do agree with you however. Mustang enthusiasts and people aware of Mustang history will find plenty of details to fuel their Mustang needs (taillights, ...).
People not aware of Stangs' history (europeans) won't even think it could be american (let's be honest, people buying Fords in Europe don't really realize this is an american brand (it has been around like forever).

So I guess this design will make everyone happy. I do not coz' i'm a die hard US cars fan in a boring europe (on a car's point of view) and I really don't see anything "exotic" in this new Mustang.
I guess where americans would maybe buy a name before a look, europeans will buy a look before a name. However, I'm not sure Europe would still be an interesting market for this kinda "sports" cars.
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Old 12-06-2013, 07:18 AM   #450
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2015 Ford Mustang to serve as halo car in Europe, other overseas markets
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Ford Motor Co. expects that its 2015 Mustang coupe will boost its image in Europe, even though the car will not sell in large numbers.

"The Mustang's formidable reputation for performance and its iconic status as a symbol of freedom and optimism precedes it even in those parts of the world where the car has never been sold," Ford of Europe CEO Stephen Odell said today in a statement.

Ford plans to sell the Mustang through its European dealer network for the first time in the model's 50-year history to broaden the car's appeal beyond its core American audience.

Ford unveiled the sixth-generation Mustang at simultaneous events here and in Michigan, Shanghai, Sydney, New York and Los Angeles. The car will go on sale first in the United States and Canada in the fourth quarter of 2014, followed by China and then Europe sometime in 2015. Ford will sell both fastback and convertible versions.

Ford has sold more than 9 million Mustangs sold since the car was first launched in 1964. It was the inspiration for the R&B song "Mustang Sally," which was popular in the mid-1960s, and has been featured many times in Hollywood movies.



Technology advances

The latest Mustang gets a more modern design, a more nimble chassis and more efficient engines and transmissions. It uses classic Mustang styling cues such as the bluff reverse-angle front end, but the car has more sophisticated details such as slim high-intensity discharge headlights.

"We want it to say it's quite a technologically advanced car, not a Neanderthal American," Ford's new global head of design, Moray Callum, told Automotive News Europe.

Jacques Brent, Ford's general marketing manager for large cars and SUVs, said Mustang sales in Europe will be modest. "Current global volume for Mustang is around 106,000. We're expecting some growth but we haven't banked on doubling the volume or anything like that," he said. "It's going to be relatively niche."

The Mustang will get a new 2.3-liter four-cylinder turbo EcoBoost engine that will make more than 309 hp. A 5.0-liter V8 engine will also be offered in Europe, but not the entry 3.7-liter V6. The car will also come with independent rear suspension as standard for the first time.

The focus on technology was important to highlight its role as "a billboard for what Ford is capable of," Brent said. "This car showcases all the technologies that exist in the Ford range. Things like the functionality around Sync and the performance and fuel economy of EcoBoost will be a large portion of the messaging," he said.


Affordable pricing

Ford has not yet released prices for the Mustang, but Brent said the gap between Ford's current range and the Mustang will be less than equivalent Chevrolet muscle cars offered by General Motors.

The new Corvette Stingray starts at 69,990 euros ($94,938) in Germany, while the V8-powered Chevrolet Camaro will start at 39,990 euros (about $54,330) for the coupe and 44,990 euros (about $61,123) for the convertible when they go on sale at the end of the year.

Brent said the Mustang will appeal to European customers who drive high-performance volume cars such as the Fiesta ST subcompact and Focus ST compact but want to "move up."

The new Mustang has the same wheelbase as the current model but is 1.5 inches lower and 1.5 inches wider.

As with the current car, the new Mustang will be built in Ford's Flat Rock plant in Michigan. The plant now runs on two shifts, but that can be increased to three shifts if demand increases significantly, Ford said.

Ford expects only about 10 percent of the Mustangs to be sold overseas. Outside North America, IHS Automotive estimates the biggest markets for the new Mustang will be Germany, the United Arab Emirates, Switzerland, the Philippines, Brazil, South Korea, France and the United Kingdom.
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Old 12-06-2013, 07:49 AM   #451
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I think Ford did a great job with this, I do like it but probably not enough to ever consider one. I just can't seem to get beyond how large the front looks, it seem too big for the car.
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Old 12-06-2013, 08:05 AM   #452
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Inside The 2015 Mustang’s New EcoBoost and Coyote Engines
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The next-generation 2015 Ford Mustang gets twin-scroll turbo power with the introduction of a new 2.3-liter EcoBoost inline-4 engine. It will be joined by an updated Coyote that features revised cylinder heads, more aggressive camshafts and an active intake manifold.

Ford didn’t release final horsepower numbers when the new Mustang made its public debut today, but projected the EcoBoost will offer 305-plus horsepower with around 300-plus lb-ft peak torque. The 5.0-liter V8 should generate more than 420 horsepower and twist around 390 lb-ft.

Base engine for the new Mustang will be a 3.7-liter V6 with a projected 300 horsepower rating at 6,500 rpm and 270 lb-ft peak torque at 4,000 rpm.

The new EcoBoost is a stroked version of the 2.0-liter model. The bore remains the same at 87.5mm (3.45 inches), but the stroke is increased from 83.1mm (3.27 inches) to 94mm (3.7 inches) on the 2.3-liter version. Ford is also implementing a twin-scroll turbo for the first time. Popular with import performance cars, twin-scroll technology separates the inner and outer exhaust pulses with a cylinder head design that integrates the exhaust manifold.

Basically, the exhaust flow from cylinders 1 and 4 are separated from cylinders 2 and 3. This arrangement keeps the exhaust pulses from “interfering” with each other, as would be the situation if all the exhaust ports flowed into a single collector. The result preserves more of the exhaust pulse energy to spin the turbo wheel efficiently and reduce turbo lag. The separated exhaust ports also allow the exhaust valves to remain open longer for reduced pumping losses that Ford says improve specific fuel consumption by about one percent.

To address durability, Ford went with a forged-steel crankshaft and connecting rods inside a high-pressure die-cast aluminum cylinder block that has integrated main bearing caps. The cast pistons feature steel ring carriers and are cooled on the underside with oil squirters. A deep-sump die-cast oil pan acts as a structural member and includes baffles to maintain oil delivery in high-speed cornering or fast acceleration situations.

Other features familiar to EcoBoost engines include twin independent variable camshaft timing, direct injection and coil-on-plug ignition. Compression ratio is 9.5:1.

For the 5.0-liter V8, Ford implemented a few tricks learned on the 2013 Boss 302 program. Most notably, the cylinder heads have been hogged out with larger valves and a revised intake port that provides a more direct flow for high-rpm flow. Ford engineers took advantage of this improved airflow by revising the cam specs (1mm more intake lift, 2mm additional exhaust lift) and adding stiffer valve springs. Ford also revised the piston design to take advantage of the new combustion chamber needed to accommodate the larger valves.

Another trick was to include charge motion control valves (CMCV) to the intake manifold. With better breathing at high rpm, low-end torque can be adversely affected. By adding CMCV, the airflow is partially closed off, thereby increasing the charge rate to help boost low-rpm performance. Also manipulating the airflow is a variable cam timing mechanism with increased range of adjustment due to the addition of mid-lock phasers on the intake side.

Other features of the new 5.0-liter engine include rebalanced forged-steel crankshaft and sinter-forged connecting rods that were found in the Boss 302. Compression ratio is 11.0:1, and oil-pan capacity is eight quarts.
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Old 12-06-2013, 08:14 AM   #453
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And I also hope to God they have "fixed" or done away with the MT-82. For those that have had 0 problems with theirs, I say that you lucked out. I also scroll through a few Mustang forums, and the amount of failures of that trans was truly unacceptable.
One of the reasons I decided to get rid of my 2012 GT, the MT-82 was garbage. If I get into this new GT it will be an automatic car as I do not want to chance issues again, even though they claim improvements to the present.
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Old 12-06-2013, 08:22 AM   #454
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One of the reasons I decided to get rid of my 2012 GT, the MT-82 was garbage. If I get into this new GT it will be an automatic car as I do not want to chance issues again, even though they claim improvements to the present.


The auto, 6R80 I believe, is a monster. I'm sure you've seen what some people were able to push that thing to. BUT, I would love to have a manual if they have a proper, FUNCTIONING, six speed. The shame of the whole situation is that Getrag is indeed a very good transmission manufacturer. They've done plenty of high end cars. The problem lies not in the design of the MT-82, but rather whom they've contracted to actually build it, a Chinese firm.
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Old 12-06-2013, 08:29 AM   #455
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And I also hope to God they have "fixed" or done away with the MT-82...
A new shifter linkage was announced.
The problem all along with the MT-82 was the shifter linkage. After market products cleared it up nicely.
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Old 12-06-2013, 08:48 AM   #456
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I know there are a lot of biased haters out there, but after seeing these new pics today I think this car is going to be a home run for Ford.
At this point I'm calling it an easy triple.


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It seems to have some strange proportions but from some angles they work better than others. In person it will probably be a lot better. I just can't get past the rear of the car though.
The reality is that once you're sitting in the driver's seat, you stop being as aware of all those exterior details that you can't see through the windshield or in the mirrors.

As to all those buttons on the steering wheel that you would see more often - I don't like that much clutter there either. But that may be for a (thankfully optional) technology package anyway.


I'm still trying to decide if that double ball joint front suspension needs to have compliance elsewhere that a single lower arm wouldn't in order to work.

My opinion - any mfr that insists on putting 19" or larger wheels on their cars needs to specify a brake size that doesn't look lost inside the wheels. Rear brakes included, which in this case might help alleviate some of the comparisons with cars from the other side of the Pacific.


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Old 12-06-2013, 08:51 AM   #457
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... Anybody have pics of the rear seats and head room yet?
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Yes, those are standard rear seats........in a pony car.
In the 2015 Mustang pony car.
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Old 12-06-2013, 09:13 AM   #458
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I was not a fan when I first saw it, but then the more pictures I saw of it from different angles really changed my perspective. I really am a fan of the design and for the first time since the new edge cars 99-04 Mustang has a decent looking ass end IMO.
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Love it inside and out. I will own one if the performance is there to match the rest of it's awesomeness. I can't wait to see one in the flesh.
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Old 12-06-2013, 09:43 AM   #460
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Look bolstery!

The comp orange or race red in bright light picture that was posted on the last page as well as some of the latest pics on this page sold me.

I think it looks great. Even the rear...and this is just the GT/Turbo model.
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Old 12-06-2013, 09:46 AM   #461
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The reality is that once you're sitting in the driver's seat, you stop being as aware of all those exterior details that you can't see through the windshield or in the mirrors.



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True, but if you are spending 40k on a car you should at least like the way it looks.
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Here are the rear seats.


Yes, those are standard rear seats........in a pony car.
In the 2015 Mustang pony car.
Nice! 2+2 effect...
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