Hydro-4000 Hydrogen Injection System for Improved MPG

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by aston70

The directions say to connect to an unused switched 30A circuit. Isn't 30A usualy for things like air conditioners, heaters, i.e. things that draw more power than say your car's radio? I'm just asking, not really sure.

I don't know, I think I may have confused my products. Some of the DIY kits claim a lower electricity requirement. You are probably correct that this system has a higer power need. Either way, I can't imagine they would bring this to market if it consistantly killed the battery.

Neither N2O or O2 is flammable by themselves because they are oxidizers. Neither one will ignite unless there is a fuel source for them to provide oxygen atoms. If you have a highly pressurized pure oxygen atmosphere, then almost anything will burn if heat is applied and very fast. That's what happened on Appollo 1 and a particular value jet flight.

Hydrogen stable? Actually, it's highy inflammable. Remember the Hindenburg?

The way this unit connects between the trottle body and mass air flow sensor I wonder if there would be the potential for hydrogen gas buildup in the air box? Seems like a continuous buildup of hydrogen and one little spark and you'll have an interesting experience.

Again, thanks for bringing this up. I was simply astounded by the MPG numbers. And, therefore not really able to be critical. But, I knew you guys and gals would have the knowledge I don't where this chemistry stuff is concerned.

Originally Posted by aston70

I also wonder since burning the hydrogen in the engine will produce water vapor as a by product, what would that do to your steel exhaust valves, exhaust pipe, muffler, over time? Seems like you might want a stainless exhaust system for long term use.

My guess is it would produce less water since it's burning more of the air/fuel in the combustion chamber. I would assume this would leave less Oxygen to combine with Hydrogen to create water??

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Mythic

Hydrogen can also corrupt the structure of metals in which it comes into contact - see Hydrogen Embrittlement

There. That's what I was thinking about...that would be why Manufacturers don't do this right yet. They'd have to cast the entire engine out of special metals that wouldn't die beneath Hydrogen....which is expensive.

Unless I'm already driving a beater, this would worry me.

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by Mythic

...Hydrogen can also corrupt the structure of metals in which it comes into contact - see Hydrogen Embrittlement

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

There. That's what I was thinking about...that would be why Manufacturers don't do this right yet. They'd have to cast the entire engine out of special metals that wouldn't die beneath Hydrogen....which is expensive.

Unless I'm already driving a beater, this would worry me.

I can see this being a concern if you are storing it for extended periods of time. My question would be: If Hydrogen is created and stored in a "hydrogen safe" container (maybe glass or plastic), and is from there directly injected into the air intake, would it be in contact with the engine metals long enough to cause damage? I would think once it has been introduced into the engine the hydrogen would never "come to rest", and therefore not have the time to cause embrittlement.

True or False?

I would hope they have figured out how much hydrogen is safe to introduce into an ICE and the risk of embrittlement was considered in that decision.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Check out the BMW "Hyrdrogen 7"....that vehicle may be of use in this conversation.

[AirGoya]

ugh.... my head hurts

[Muscle Master]

Originally Posted by AirGoya

ugh.... my head hurts

lol your not the only one

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by aston70

That's cool. And the 12-cylinder, 260hp performance is probably nothing to scoff at.

i dont think you can use the word performance in the same sentance as12 cyl 260hp... unless it has cylinder deactivation and still makes 260 hp off of half the cyls.