GM Reveals Cadillac Elmiraj Concept

[Stew]

They need to build this as long as they can dring it to the showroom without messing up this beautiful style!

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by King Sun

80,000-90,000 im figuring the price will be

Maybe. I don't think they'd charge any less than that but they might ask for a bit more. A MB CL550 starts at 115, and I imagine a BMW 850i (if it existed) would be about the same. GM could ask 100 and still be the value proposition in the tiny market of big luxury coupes.

[tramtwo]

I need a moist towelette...

[King T]

Originally Posted by AZCamaroFan

205 inches..to me these last couple Cadillac concepts harken back to the 60's and 70's Eldorado's. I really don't see a big market for that these days. I wish they'd take the next CTS-V and make it sleeker, a reall GT/Sports car.

At 205 inches the Elmiraj concept is:
-Longer than a CTS Coupe by 16 inches

-Longer than a Escalade by 3 inches

-Shorter than a 2014 Mercedes-Benz S-Class by 1 inch

If there were a CTS Coupe for the next gen it would be on the Alpha platform like the sedan. Here was a render of what a possible CTS coupe could look like


The Elmiraj would share the full size platform with the yet-to-be-shown flagship Cadillac sedan. Like how the new Mercedes S-Class sedan is to spawn a S-Class Coupe.

I don't know if anyone has really noticed the weight on this concept. 4,000 lbs. That is light for a full size coupe like this! For comparison, here's some other cars that weigh more than this 205 in. coupe:


Cadillac Elmiraj
Length: 205 in.
Weight: 4,000 lbs


Audi S5:
Length: 182 in.
Weight: 4,045 lbs


BMW 650i
Length: 192 in.
Weight: 4,275 lbs


Mercedes Benz CL550
Length: 200 in.
Weight: 4,740 lbs


Bentley Continental GT
Length: 189 in.
Weight: 5,060 lbs


Rolls Royce Wraith
Length: 207 in.
Weight: 5,200 lbs

Cadillac has really been putting an importance on lightweight platforms recently. First with the Alpha platform spawning the ATS and upcoming CTS, and now the Omega platform possibly giving us a full size sedan (and coupe) that could weigh 4,000 lbs

[AWSME SS]

Absolutely stellar design!

[Stew]

Originally Posted by King T

At 205 inches the Elmiraj concept is:
-Longer than a CTS Coupe by 16 inches

-Longer than a Escalade by 3 inches

-Shorter than a 2014 Mercedes-Benz S-Class by 1 inch

If there were a CTS Coupe for the next gen it would be on the Alpha platform like the sedan. Here was a render of what a possible CTS coupe could look like


The Elmiraj would share the full size platform with the yet-to-be-shown flagship Cadillac sedan. Like how the new Mercedes S-Class sedan is to spawn a S-Class Coupe.

I don't know if anyone has really noticed the weight on this concept. 4,000 lbs. That is light for a full size coupe like this! For comparison, here's some other cars that weigh more than this 205 in. coupe:


Cadillac Elmiraj
Length: 205 in.
Weight: 4,000 lbs


Audi S5:
Length: 182 in.
Weight: 4,045 lbs


BMW 650i
Length: 192 in.
Weight: 4,275 lbs


Mercedes Benz CL550
Length: 200 in.
Weight: 4,740 lbs


Bentley Continental GT
Length: 189 in.
Weight: 5,060 lbs


Rolls Royce Wraith
Length: 207 in.
Weight: 5,200 lbs

Cadillac has really been putting an importance on lightweight platforms recently. First with the Alpha platform spawning the ATS and upcoming CTS, and now the Omega platform possibly giving us a full size sedan (and coupe) that could weigh 4,000 lbs

Um, you are forgetting 1 important fact, most, if not all, of those carry heavy AWD systems. put AWD in the Caddy and you would be right there. That said I noticed the Caddy style trumps all of those 2 or 3 fold......

[FenwickHockey65]

Elmiraj does indeed ride on Omega. This is basically the first look at the upcoming Cadillac flagship.

[King T]

Originally Posted by Stew

Um, you are forgetting 1 important fact, most, if not all, of those carry heavy AWD systems. put AWD in the Caddy and you would be right there. That said I noticed the Caddy style trumps all of those 2 or 3 fold......

Maybe so, but even with AWD I doubt it would be as heavy as the CL550, Bentley, and Rolls Royce for sure! The BMW 6 series weight is the RWD version. And I only threw the S5 in the comparison for weight reasons, that a larger 205 inch coupe is lighter than one over 20 inches shorter. The A5/S5/RS5 wouldn't compete with the Elmiraj, that would be more competition for the CTS Coupe (if ever made).

Yes I agree, I love the styling too!

[King T]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Elmiraj does indeed ride on Omega. This is basically the first look at the upcoming Cadillac flagship.

Sources: Cadillac’s Elmiraj Concept Utilizes Upcoming Omega Vehicle Architecture

Cadillac stunned the world yesterday by unveiling the Elmiraj Concept ahead of the Pebble Beach Concours d’Elegance. Now, not even a full 24 hours after the unveiling of the full-size coupe concept that “demonstrates Cadillac’s vision for luxury driving and the top of the brand’s expanding range”, the vehicle has received (nearly) universally-positive praise from enthusiasts, the media, and (probably) even grandparents all over the world.

But a rather important aspect of the Elmiraj that could easily be missed among the excitement and plethora of details is something that could be easily missed: the Elmiraj uses the chassis and structural elements of “an ongoing Cadillac vehicle development project slated for future production”, according to Cadillac. Furthermore, the new architecture “expands the brand’s commitment to lightweight RWD performance” that has become a celebrated trait of the ATS sport sedan and the all-new 2014 CTS sport sedan that launches this fall.

A source close to GM’s engineering efforts tells us that the vehicle architecture being used in the Elmiraj, although still in development, is none other than the upcoming Omega platform.

One could think of Omega, according to our sources, as being based on the Alpha vehicle architecture underpinning the ATS, new CTS, and upcoming 2015 (or 2016) sixth-generation Camaro, only stretched in every direction — with everything being bigger and better. In engineering the architecture, however, our sources tell us that GM’s top priority is to make Omega-based vehicles very light by using a combination of advanced materials and creative light-weighting techniques.

The Elmiraj will have to tide us over until an actual Omega-based production vehicle arrives — which, at this point, should be around 2015 or 2016.

[King T]

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[Stew]

Originally Posted by King T

Maybe so, but even with AWD I doubt it would be as heavy as the CL550, Bentley, and Rolls Royce for sure! The BMW 6 series weight is the RWD version. And I only threw the S5 in the comparison for weight reasons, that a larger 205 inch coupe is lighter than one over 20 inches shorter. The A5/S5/RS5 wouldn't compete with the Elmiraj, that would be more competition for the CTS Coupe (if ever made).

Yes I agree, I love the styling too!

Well, you have to look at what those cars are, basic solid chunks of steel that are as solid as bank vaults lol. IMHO, Caddy has an opprotunity. They could leave the solid chunk of steel to the Germans and make and make the, we will call it the Eldorado for now, as a lighter in feel and all it's move super sporty alternative. All those others are really more about the ride, the "Eldorado" could be about the drive. Really, this car has me truly excited. Sadly, I don't believe it will ever see the light of day, at least as that sexy coupe and if they try to I am scared it will come out, maybe not ruined, but severely compromised......

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Stew

Well, you have to look at what those cars are, basic solid chunks of steel that are as solid as bank vaults lol. IMHO, Caddy has an opprotunity. They could leave the solid chunk of steel to the Germans and make and make the, we will call it the Eldorado for now, as a lighter in feel and all it's move super sporty alternative. All those others are really more about the ride, the "Eldorado" could be about the drive. Really, this car has me truly excited. Sadly, I don't believe it will ever see the light of day, at least as that sexy coupe and if they try to I am scared it will come out, maybe not ruined, but severely compromised......

I don't really see anything on the outside that would be terribly difficult to build. Especially if the car has a roughly 100k price tag. Might tweak a few details, but if its off of an existing upcoming platform, a lot of the basic dimensions and proportions would have to stay fairly close to what we see in the concept.

[King T]

Originally Posted by Stew

Well, you have to look at what those cars are, basic solid chunks of steel that are as solid as bank vaults lol. IMHO, Caddy has an opprotunity. They could leave the solid chunk of steel to the Germans and make and make the, we will call it the Eldorado for now, as a lighter in feel and all it's move super sporty alternative. All those others are really more about the ride, the "Eldorado" could be about the drive. Really, this car has me truly excited. Sadly, I don't believe it will ever see the light of day, at least as that sexy coupe and if they try to I am scared it will come out, maybe not ruined, but severely compromised......

Cadillac Elmiraj has production potential

There are many reasons to love the Cadillac Elmiraj Concept, but not the least of which is how production-ready this big coupe appears to be. Take out the overly fancy interior and a few conceptual elements of the exterior, and this looks like a coupe that could be in dealers now as the successor to the Eldorado.

On top of that, Automotive News is quoting Bob Ferguson, Cadillac senior vice president, as saying that a production version of this car is "very doable." AN adds that if the Monterey showstopper gets the green-light, this car would compete against the upcoming Mercedes-Benz S-Class Coupe and would based on Cadillac's upcoming rear-wheel-drive flagship sedan due out in 2015. The range-topping coupe would debut sometime after the sedan model. Cross your fingers.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

I don't really see anything on the outside that would be terribly difficult to build. Especially if the car has a roughly 100k price tag. Might tweak a few details, but if its off of an existing upcoming platform, a lot of the basic dimensions and proportions would have to stay fairly close to what we see in the concept.

True, I would guess mirrors, lighting elements, new more feasible interior and hope for everything they can keep it b-pillarless! What worries me though is that the gen % Camaro for example lost something in transition from concept to production. Slightly different porportions or whatever it, the production car never made my heart skip a beat like the concept. Same thing has happened with other vehicles like the SSR and Aztec (ok even this concept wasn't that pretty, but it was better than the production). They production cars are similar and carry the basic shapes, but the translation just loses something. I really do NOT want to see that happen here if they build it.