Next Mustang to come in GT500, GT350, Mach 1 performance models

[Ohio Snake]

Originally Posted by NVmyZL1

Not sure why you cannot grasp what I am saying. We are already in the 2014 model year of production and have been since this spring. The 2014 is the last of the S197 (5th generation) Mustangs. The 2015 model year, on sale next summer/fall, will be the first model year of the S550 (6th generation) Mustangs. I am talking about the lineup for the 2015 model year.

Again, I am we'll aware of the original SVO and all the reasons why it did not sell as well as Ford would have liked in the mid-'80's. That being said, I still think the base model of the next generation will be sold with the option of the n/a V6 or an EcoBoost turbo 4. I think the latter will be marketed as the "SVO" option. Unlike the original SVO model, it will not be intended to compete for GT sales. Then agin, maybe the EBt4 will only be available in models intended for European export. I don't know and that is why it is called speculation. Stop trying to sell yourself as someone "in the know" any more than the rest of us on what the 6th generation will bring and, please, stop with the Mustang history lessons.

Not trying to give you a Mustang history lesson or being as you claim "in the know". Most everyone knows the S197 retro is out the door . Just clarifying and what your trying to state......which I disagree with concerning the Shelby name and marketing for the next gen mustangs.

We can agree not to agree on the S550 mustangs. I guess we will wait until Ford actually releases that generation of Mustangs.

The lineup for the S550 will most likely be:

Base Ecoboost 4 or 6 cylinder. No SVO.
GT
Shelby GT500
May be a Mach1 for a Mustang variant.






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[Ohio Snake]

Looks like the anticipation was settled a few hours ago. There will be a Shelby but in GT350 format only (no Cobra) in 2015 with less HP than the current GT500 model. The engine will be based off the current 5.0 engine in NA form.

A GT with more HP(450).

The V6 and an Ecoboost (No SVO and I'm surprised both will be offered together below GT model.)

The Mach1 may appear in 2016, but not 2015.

So the Shelby name will carry but without the GT500 moniker and no Cobra. You are correct with the V6 and Ecoboost versions. And the Mach 1 is still speculation for 2016.

So I guess we are both right and wrong. Go figure.

http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2013/6/2...-2015-7714918/

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[PYROLYSIS]

Originally Posted by Ohio Snake

Looks like the anticipation was settled a few hours ago. There will be a Shelby but in GT350 format only (no Cobra) in 2015 with less HP than the current GT500 model. The engine will be based off the current 5.0 engine in NA form.

A GT with more HP(450).

The V6 and an Ecoboost (No SVO and I'm surprised both will be offered together below GT model.)

The Mach1 may appear in 2016, but not 2015.

So the Shelby name will carry but without the GT500 moniker and no Cobra. You are correct with the V6 and Ecoboost versions. And the Mach 1 is still speculation for 2016.

So I guess we are both right and wrong. Go figure.

http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2013/6/2...-2015-7714918/

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Nothing is settled until Ford comes out and says it.

[Ohio Snake]

Originally Posted by PYROLYSIS

Nothing is settled until Ford comes out and says it.

Your right. And this is the second news source stating exactly the same info. Can't always believe what you read on the Internet.

The marketing of a GT350 replacing the GT500 does make some sense depending on what performance objectives this car can do.


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[shaffe]

Originally Posted by Ohio Snake

Your right. And this is the second news source stating exactly the same info. Can't always believe what you read on the Internet.

The marketing of a GT350 replacing the GT500 does make some sense depending on what performance objectives this car can do.


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The GT350 would not be replacing the GT500. The GT350 as I read from the news articles would be designed to go after the Z/28. Ford would still need to offer an SVT version to compete with ZL1

[LOWDOWN]

For one, the 5.8 is too w-i-d-e for the next-Gen's smaller engine bay.

Soooo...if there's a Shelby, it will surely be based on a 5.0-sized block which, in n/a form, will apparently run to 475 hp.

If the EcoBoost-4 becomes standard fare, then a base 'Stang will be akin to the SVO Mustang of the mid-'80s...in more ways than one...which contained a LOT more exotica than the pedestrian GT of its time.

Maybe Jamal will step in here and 'splain what's gonna happen...maybe.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

For one, the 5.8 is too w-i-d-e for the next-Gen's smaller engine bay.

Soooo...if there's a Shelby, it will surely be based on a 5.0-sized block which, in n/a form, will apparently run to 475 hp.

If the EcoBoost-4 becomes standard fare, then a base 'Stang will be akin to the SVO Mustang of the mid-'80s...in more ways than one...which contained a LOT more exotica than the pedestrian GT of its time.

Maybe Jamal will step in here and 'splain what's gonna happen...maybe.

I do believe I saw in the rumor mills taht the 5.8 is for sure dead. And that the GT500/Cobra equivalent would be using some form a turbo charged 5.0. Off course, thats from the rumor mills

[Fenderaddict2]

Originally Posted by NVmyZL1

There is no current generation Boss 302. They were a special run of two years, 2012 & 2013, to commemorate the '69 and '70 Boss 302. It was never intended to be a staple of their model lineup.

As Ford has stated, it is moving away from the retro-inspired Mustang formula, which is why I believe there will be no Gen6 model that carries Carroll Shelby's name, neither GT350 nor GT500. The top of the line Mustang will likely be branded, once again, a SVT Cobra. I doubt very seriously they produce a car intended to compete directly with the z/28. If they do, I would exect it to be a return to the Cobra R designation.

If you think the while point of a V6 versus V8 is cost, you have not been paying attention. It has a whole lot to do with CAFE standards.

Nope, sorry. ;-)

[Ohio Snake]

Originally Posted by NVmyZL1

Wow, so much fail I don't know where to begin. It looks like you you did an Internet search and threw together several disparate pieces of information to produce your post.

First, I would hazard to guess I know as much or more than you regarding the modern GT500 having owned a 2007, 2010 and 2013 version of that vehicle. I have also attended the Shelby birthday bash in Las Vegas each of the last 4 years and have personally rubbed elbows/spoke with various members of Shelby American management.

Second, considering we are going into the last year of production on the current generation of the Mustang, I think everyone is aware of what versions Ford offered/offers of the current ponycar. We're speculating on what the future holds. Past performance is not always indicative of future results.

Thirdly, I mentioned another Cobra R as a direct competitor to the upcoming z/28. That car, too, will be produced in low numbers and was specifically designed, like the Cobra R was, for track duty. To suggest Ford would pull other monikers used in the past forward for use in the Gen6 Mustang but not consider doing the same with a "R" model is naive. Not saying it will happen, just would not be surprised if it did.

Wow, no one said anything about so much fail on your part. Sorry about your complex. Your original assessment may be correct and incorrect...I did state that before. At least I can admit when I was incorrect or not clear about what I wrote.

Let me help you out a bit. There was no Internet search in a "desperation" as you claim unless I needed to clarify your response such as Wikipedia, which you referenced to. I do subscribe to some magazines or internet auto publications which "push" breaking or new articles to me. The latest about the GT350 was "pushed" right after one of my responses to you. And yes' I know that you can't trust everything that is written on the Internet.

Our original disagreement revolves mostly around referring to the use of "Shelby" and or the "GT500" for the next mustang platform as our differences of opinion. Furthermore, I was giving you other reasons from the past models for why I believe your assessment for the model lineup of the next platform would or may be incorrect, which you interpreted as a "history lesson". The reason I questioned you on the platform ( S197 or S550) was to be sure you were not talking of the current model year (2014) as opposed to the S550 which you took as offensively or stupidity....but I had to do that based on some of your responses. I don't need to comment any further on the "R" model since I believe is irrelevant while Ford is manufacturing the Shelby model and the CobraJet as a Z28 competitor.

I too have spoken to Shelby American management and some SVT engineers specifically about our disagreement. To ease your mind, I too have owned an SN95 Cobra(1999), SN197(2009) Shelby Cobra , currently own a 2011 Camaro SS and currently own a 2012 modified Shelby GT500 amongst other mustangs and other current non pony cars. I belong to several mustang and or Shelby/ Cobra organization and served as a regional contact for SVTOA a few years ago. So your ownership of three Shelby's of the S197 platform does not make you an expert. And before you try blasting me back, my ownership and background does not makes me one either. I have to admit that I never attended a Shelby Bash due to my location and lack of a trailer, but plan too do so in the future. However, I do visit the SA facilities every February. In addition, I have been to The Woodward Dream Cruise ( ' 09 through '12) and Carlisle, PA ("11 through "13) to "rub elbows" with some of the SVT engineers and I do stay in contact with some retired former SVT engineers from the SN95 era,specifically John Colletti.

It seems obvious to me based your "in the know" and car ownership makes your lineup listing pretty solid in your eyes. I've tried to respect your opinion, right or wrong, but I disagree with some of your information. Again, we will have to wait till a formal announcement comes directly from Ford.

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[Ohio Snake]

Originally Posted by NVmyZL1

Whose information is incorrect? While the licensing information you posted above is mostly accurate it, again, has nothing to do with what Ford will or will not do with the Gen6 Mustang. Ford's agreement does not require that they use any of the Shelby naming conventions, just that they have the ability to do so if that is the route they choose to take.

The 5th generation Mustang was a nod to the '60's, so it made sense to honor some it's timeless classic brands/names from that era on the modern cars. The 6th generation is moving a different direction, which is why I speculate that a lot of those brands/names will not be carried over into the next generation. Again, time will tell.

If you re-read our back and forth, we are both possibly correct and incorrect on the line up. You basically are stating the Shelby and or GT500 name disappears from the S550 platform and on ( I disagree) and will revert back to SVT Cobra ( I disagree). Your other model lineups may be correct or modified a bit and we have some difference of opinion. The more I think about the GT350 possibly replacing the GT500 is making more sense marketing wise. ..if that is true and the Shelby name continues on.

A manufacturer will not spend $$$$$ on a licensing agreement with another corporation (Shelby as an example) unless there is a return on the investment. Your right, Ford could have an agreement and not use it, but this would be a poor business decision. What will Ford do after 2016 ( I believe that is the renewal year, but I could be wrong) is anyone's guess. But, I seriously doubt Ford will pay for a licensing agreement just to sit on it. The same goes for Shelby America or any other business.

Your giving a history lesson on the Gen5 (S197)...stop it! Yes, the Gen6 S550 is moving in a different direction for performance, style, marketing and technology. I won't go there on my full opinion since I know we will disagree.


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[Ohio Snake]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

For one, the 5.8 is too w-i-d-e for the next-Gen's smaller engine bay.

Soooo...if there's a Shelby, it will surely be based on a 5.0-sized block which, in n/a form, will apparently run to 475 hp.

If the EcoBoost-4 becomes standard fare, then a base 'Stang will be akin to the SVO Mustang of the mid-'80s...in more ways than one...which contained a LOT more exotica than the pedestrian GT of its time.

Maybe Jamal will step in here and 'splain what's gonna happen...maybe.

I agree with you based on the latest information that I see. I knew Ford was testing a twin turbo 5.4 and a 5.0 last year.

I don't know how the Ecoboost will exactly fit in. Drop the V6 or do an "SVO like"model?? With a V6??


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[shaffe]

Originally Posted by Ohio Snake

The more I think about the GT350 possibly replacing the GT500 is making more sense marketing wise. ..if that is true and the Shelby name continues on.

Only thing I'll disagree on here is the GT350 replacing GT500.

This is all based on assumptions/rumor mill type stuff.

SO ASSUMING, Ford offers a GT350 to compete against the Z/28, that doesn't mean it replaces the GT500. The GT350 would be Ford's answer to the Z/28, a dedicated track car with very few creature comforts. Ford would still need to offer up a Cobra/GT500 high HP car with all the goodies to compete against a ZL-1 Camaro assuming GM keeps that around into the 6th gen. If the GT350 is to compete with the Z/28 it would not replace the GT500