Wow, talk about sick and twisted..

[CamaroSpike23]

like I said.... WGAS.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

like I said.... WGAS.

Dude, I had to google WGAS to get the meaning.

[Metal Gear SS]

Originally Posted by irpq11

Dude, I had to google WGAS to get the meaning.

Haha, I had to Google that and FPATT and IBTL in the "Gotta do it....." thread

Still don't know what FPATT is, though...

[PQ]

Originally Posted by Metal Gear SS

Haha, I had to Google that and FPATT and IBTL in the "Gotta do it....." thread

Still don't know what FPATT is, though...

Ok Spike. Wanna educate us?

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by irpq11

Ok, first of all, if you look at my post, I said he didn't SEEM to want to be black. And I wasn't talking solely about skin color. You just ASSUMED I was. I've said the same thing about Prince. Nice.

And MTV wouldn't play black artists? MTV wasn't even AROUND when MJ started. And that's . I was part of the original MTV generation. They played ALL of the popular black artists. Lionel, Prince, Whitney, Stevie, Tina, Lisa Lisa and a bunch more. If it was popular, it was on MTV. MJ had nothing to do with it. Don't believe all that crap you hear because you obviously weren't there or don't remember. Dude had a lot of fans. And btw, with the media shoving it down the worlds throats, of course a lot of people were watching. I wonder how many people watched OJs trial? Does that mean that he influenced and moved them as well? As far as his daughter crying, ya, that usually happens when a childs parent dies.

then apparently you completely missed thriller.....lol

it is a fact....no denying it he made mtv well what use to be mtv(not the garbage it is today)

i saw the word seem,.....and i gave my opinion...the word seem doesnt change anything i said.

w.e you are entitled to your opinion...but the sole fact is he broke down the wall and was the first huge black artist accepted in the mainstream....he is the king of popular music....aka mtv....ect ect.

also mtv was created in 1981, michael jackson was already a star in 1981 with his bigtime solo album off the wall (which most musicians agree is probably better musically than thriller.) thriller came out in 1982....jackson 5 was 70s and off the wall was late 70s...so please dont spread lies, thriller album made mtv. you probably did grow up with mtv....but didnt watch it as closely to know when what came out.

btw my comment about the kids was to show that he was human....not that t it SEEMED that he was trying not to be human. like you said dont believe all the media bs that has been shoved down people's throats for years.

imo

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by BlownChevy

It was a memorial that over rated a pervert

in your opinion ....which well let me not go there

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by Nexus6

I think the only barriers he broke was the belts of under-age kids


Yeah.....i said it

original.....oh wait

[PQ]

Originally Posted by kevin2323

then apparently you completely missed thriller.....lol

w.e you are entitled to your opinion...but the sole fact is he broke down the wall and was the first huge black artist accepted in the mainstream....he is the king of popular music....aka mtv....ect ect.

I don't get how you say that black entertainers were somehow supressed before MJ. The Music HOFs are filled with black and hispanic talents. They are and were, before MJ, responsible for some of the greatest music in our history. The first black artist accepted in the mainstream? I can make a list to show you otherwise. Just because Elvis was the king of Rock and Roll, doesn't mean I can say he was the first white artist to claim that title, and Elvis paved the way for everyone after him. There were plenty before him. MJ was the king of Pop Music. And there were plenty of blacks before him too.
And if you read my post again. I said MTV wasn't even around when MJ started. Not sure why you're disagreeing with that and then showing it's true.

also just so people dont believe your lie about michael not being around when mtv came out....mtv was created in 1981, michael jackson was already a star in 1981 with his bigtime solo album off the wall (which most musicians agree is probably better musically than thriller.) thriller came out in 1982....jackson 5 was 70s and off the wall was late 70s...so please dont spread lies.

it is a fact....no denying it he made mtv

And this after you said MTV wouldn't play black artist until MJ

mtv....would not play black artist in primetime till michael came through.

Kind of a contradiction there.

you probably did grow up with mtv....but didnt watch it as closely to know when what came out.

I grew up watching and listening to MJ. I stood in my bedroom as a teenager and pre-teen and thrust my hips while having my knee raised and turned my head really fast a few times and tried to dance like him. It was awesome. I had one of those red jackets with Zippers all over them. It was some of the best times of my childhood. So don't tell me I don't know when what came out.

i saw the word seem,.....and i gave my opinion...the word seem doesnt change anything i said.

You assumed I was talking about his skin color. If you deny it fine. I know you did.

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by irpq11

I don't get how you say that black entertainers were somehow supressed before MJ. The Music HOFs are filled with black and hispanic talents. They are and were, before MJ, responsible for some of the greatest music in our history. The first black artist accepted in the mainstream? I can make a list to show you otherwise. Just because Elvis was the king of Rock and Roll, doesn't mean I can say he was the first white artist to claim that title, and Elvis paved the way for everyone after him. There were plenty before him. MJ was the king of Pop Music. And there were plenty of blacks before him too.
And if you read my post again. I said MTV wasn't even around when MJ started. Not sure why you're disagreeing with that and then showing it's true.



And this after you said MTV wouldn't play black artist until MJ

Kind of a contradiction there.


I grew up watching and listening to MJ. I stood in my bedroom as a teenager and pre-teen and thrust my hips while having my knee raised and turned my head really fast a few times and tried to dance like him. It was awesome. I had one of those red jackets with Zippers all over them. It was some of the best times of my childhood. So don't tell me I don't know when what came out.

You assumed I was talking about his skin color. If you deny it fine. I know you did.

i hope you are watching larry king .....all of your questions about him and wanting to be this and not this will be answered.

i am not contradicting myself...they wouldnt play black artist in primetime...then finally when michael became so popular(plus the fact that michael's bosses threatened to not give mtv more videos from there label's artist.) MTW BLEW UP...the M in MTV pretty much meant michael for the duration of the 80s.

all in all what you dont understand is that i am not saying mj was the one guy who changed the way things work but he helped a whole lot.

btw i have the beat it jacket as well ....pretty cool

[The_Blur]

I think it is so amazing that our malicious press can so easily forget the horrible accusations and settlements against the King of Pop.

He was a talented artist. His work deserves to be remembered. I think it is an ethical dilemma that Michael Jackson, an entertainer, is more memorable to us all than those who have defended our freedom, written our laws, or been good to their families. On one hand, the latter 3 instances are far more common, and an artist influences us all in so many ways. On the other hand, Michael Jackson lived a lavish lifestyle completely separated from reality, placed on a pedestal and praised for talents that some would argue do not contribute to the welfare of the people who showed up to his concerts.

I'm torn on Michael Jackson. I find that he does not fit any of the molds we have placed around him. He wasn't quite a menace to society, but he certainly had some questionable tendencies. He was a brilliant performer, but was he worthy of such a large following?

[PQ]

Originally Posted by kevin2323

i hope you are watching larry king .....all of your questions about him and wanting to be this and not this will be answered.

i am not contradicting myself...they wouldnt play black artist in primetime...then finally when michael became so popular(plus the fact that michael's bosses threatened to not give mtv more videos from there label's artist.) MTW BLEW UP...the M in MTV pretty much meant michael for the duration of the 80s.

all in all what you dont understand is that i am not saying mj was the one guy who changed the way things work but he helped a whole lot.

btw i have the beat it jacket as well ....pretty cool

I STILL have Billy Jean on my thumb drive and have listened to it in my Camaro. Even before his death. Say Say Say was freaking awesome.

But the other artists I named were on prime time even as MJ was doing his thing.

Oh, and btw, I got some serious make out time with Human Nature.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by The_Blur

I think it is so amazing that our malicious press can so easily forget the horrible accusations and settlements against the King of Pop.

He was a talented artist. His work deserves to be remembered. I think it is an ethical dilemma that Michael Jackson, an entertainer, is more memorable to us all than those who have defended our freedom, written our laws, or been good to their families. On one hand, the latter 3 instances are far more common, and an artist influences us all in so many ways. On the other hand, Michael Jackson lived a lavish lifestyle completely separated from reality, placed on a pedestal and praised for talents that some would argue do not contribute to the welfare of the people who showed up to his concerts.

I'm torn on Michael Jackson. I find that he does not fit any of the molds we have placed around him. He wasn't quite a menace to society, but he certainly had some questionable tendencies. He was a brilliant performer, but was he worthy of such a large following?

The other thread with "Pray for these children" I stay away from because it breaks my heart what the children have to go through but they haven't done ANY of the things MJ has done, good or bad and there are scores of other children who suffer the same losses and have far less resources to pull from.

But to answer your question, the people who in my opinion are worthy of such a large following, never get it.

It's a joke however how the media has done a 180 form the 'Wacko Jacko' days.

[MLL67RSSS]

Well maybe MJ broke down barriers when it came to something like MTV, (which BTW was originally a "ROCK" music video media, not "POP" music which is why they initially didn't play MJ's stuff).

But to make a blanket statement that he was the one that broke down barriers for black entertainers that I keep hearing is a little short sighted IMO.

That is to say that people like Cab Calloway, Chuck Berry, Duke Ellington, Sammy Davis Jr., Ella Fitzgerald, Aretha Franklin, Diana Ross, Ray Charles, Stevie Wonder, Jimi Hendrix, etc., etc., etc., had nothing to do with it???????? I'm sure you've heard of most of those people right?

Of course for those of you that were around in '77, the media made a circus out of Elvis' death as well.

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by MLL67RSSS

Well maybe MJ broke down barriers when it came to something like MTV, (which BTW was originally a "ROCK" music video media, not "POP" music which is why they initially didn't play MJ's stuff).

But to make a blanket statement that he was the one that broke down barriers for black entertainers that I keep hearing is a little short sighted IMO.

That is to say that people like Cab Calloway, Chuck Berry, Duke Ellington, Sammy Davis Jr., Ella Fitzgerald, Aretha Franklin, Diana Ross, Ray Charles, Stevie Wonder, Jimi Hendrix, etc., etc., etc., had nothing to do with it???????? I'm sure you've heard of most of those people right?

Of course for those of you that were around in '77, the media made a circus out of Elvis' death as well.

Like i was saying i didnt mean that he did it alone....he was a continuation of what those other people did.