400hp/360tq in base model V8 Mustang (2010 model)

[Chevyrocker]

can't stand ford. dodge is even worse. I'm not scared at all. if their GT has 400 hp, our SS will have 500. Not to mention that the general actually knows how to build a performance vehicle.

[camaro5]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

It's also said that the new Eaton blowers are as efficient as Turbos. Wow.

And they are much quieter in general, plus they nestle down into the normally open space under the intake manifold which quiets them more.

This might be why you can't hear whine on the AZ SS video, a good thing.

[TRRBGT]

Not to mention that the general actually knows how to build a performance vehicle.[/QUOTE]

Now i love the Corvette but given the choice between, even a ZR-1 and the Ford GT40, i dont know. Ford did make one fine performance vehicle.

[NOODLESgoneWILD]

ALL I CAN SAY IS "ITS NOT A CAMARO" I WONT EVEN CONSIDER BUYING IT ...I'D RATHER ON IT!

[SilverTurtle]

ok, so five years after the GTO came out with 400hp and 8 years after the demise of the 4th gen f-body, the Mustang is finally going to get enough horsepower to keep up... whoopty friggin do... we've already seen that a 500hp Mustang can't keep up with a 400hp Corvette

stock Mustangs are roadkill for stock f-bodies... always have been, always will be... even the much heralded "Terminator" Cobras were, in fact, only slightly faster than a stock Z28 or SS... as a matter of fact, one of the most famous races I was ever videoed running was against an '03 Cobra that, with my lowly little 405rwhp, I was able to pull away from at mach speed.

bottom line: bring it, Pony boy... you're still going to finish second.

[chevys]

stock Mustangs are roadkill for stock f-bodies... always have been, always will be... even the much heralded "Terminator" Cobras were, in fact, only slightly faster than a stock Z28 or SS... as a matter of fact, one of the most famous races I was ever videoed running was against an '03 Cobra that, with my lowly little 405rwhp, I was able to pull away from at mach speed.

bottom line: bring it, Pony boy... you're still going to finish second.

I beg to differ. A 03/04 Mach 1 will go heads up with a ls1 f body despite the hp advantage of the f body. Its a drivers race and I know its been beat to death but that is pretty much a fact. The terminators were in a class by them self. One race here or there means nothing. Lets not forget about the 302 from the late 80's early 90's either. Until the LT1 showed up the Mustangs owned the 305 camaros pretty much.

Everybody is forgetting about weight. Everything points to the ls3 as being standard power so the thing is going to move no doubt. But at what weight?
I have heard everything under the sun for both cars but who knows.

If the mustang does get 400hp its going to make everybody better. I dont hate the camaros like some chevy people hate ford and vise versa but my gripe is with the ricers. Sounds like some good stuff is coming for what ever you chose.

Big question. Which car will be out first? The new f body or the 2010 mustang?

[wild_weasel]

As far as the Mustangs go, they are just responsible for giving GM numbers to beat. Bring it on Ford.

And while we're at it...I will never be worried about anything Dodge/Chrysler puts out. Their powertrains are crap and there really isn't a part on the Liberty that I drive that was designed to last more than 45,000 miles. Ball joint recalls, spark plugs are only good for 30,000, my compressor blew up after about 50,000, the brakes have never been good...the list goes on, I've even had to replace the radio (you would think that would be fool proof by now).

If people want to drive a big, heavy Challenger, thats fine, but they will probably be driving it to the service department.

[Design1stCode2nd]

With no competition there is only complacency and apathy. This should be welcomed. If not for the current sales success of the Mustang we would not have the 2010 Camaro now would we...

Its like I tell my Steelers fans co-workers if not for the Ravens you wouldn't have know how good Rothelsburger (sp) was.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Design1stCode2nd

With no competition there is only complacency and apathy. This should be welcomed. If not for the current sales success of the Mustang we would not have the 2010 Camaro now would we...

Sure we would. We didn't bitch and moan to GM for the Camaro back just because of the Mustang's success. And GM isn't doing it as heavily retro as Ford did, which was hailed by many as the reason for it's success. So I think the Mustang had very little to do with it.

But I agree, no competition makes cars boring. Or at least, more boring then they should be. Look at the Mustang, right now: Ford could do so much better.

[camaro5]

If Ford wasn't making plenty of money on the Mustang there would be no new Camaro. You can write all the letters you want, and if any car company doesn't see dollar signs, they don't build it. I'm glad they are.

[z28camaro2471]

Originally Posted by camaro5

If Ford wasn't making plenty of money on the Mustang there would be no new Camaro. You can write all the letters you want, and if any car company doesn't see dollar signs, they don't build it. I'm glad they are.

Very true. GM isn't in business to make friends. They exist soley to make $.

And the best way to make $ is to make products that kick a$$.

[camaro5]

Originally Posted by z28camaro2471

Very true. GM isn't in business to make friends. They exist soley to make $.

And the best way to make $ is to make products that kick a$$.

And it does kick some serious pony as$$

Also:

Heck, if it weren't for the Mustang - there never would have been a 1967 Camaro. The Camaro was born from GM saying - hey they're making money on that and we want a piece of that pie. I have always preferred GM over Ford, so in a twisted way - thank goodness for the Mustang. There's also no sweeter bounty than eatin' up a Mustang at the lights!

[TRRBGT]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Sure we would. We didn't bitch and moan to GM for the Camaro back just because of the Mustang's success. And GM isn't doing it as heavily retro as Ford did, which was hailed by many as the reason for it's success. So I think the Mustang had very little to do with it.

But I agree, no competition makes cars boring. Or at least, more boring then they should be. Look at the Mustang, right now: Ford could do so much better.

i respectfully disagree. if the Mustang had not sold so well and proven there was still a large pony car market, GM would have never considered bringing the maro back. and actually, in my opinion, the 5th gen has much more retro styling than the Mustang. it is basically a modern day exact retro duplicate of the '69. the Mustang does have retro styling ques but from many different generations, including the '99-'04s. just look at the tail lights.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by TRRBGT

i respectfully disagree. if the Mustang had not sold so well and proven there was still a large pony car market, GM would have never considered bringing the maro back. and actually, in my opinion, the 5th gen has much more retro styling than the Mustang. it is basically a modern day exact retro duplicate of the '69. the Mustang does have retro styling ques but from many different generations, including the '99-'04s. just look at the tail lights.

If you say so... (respect noted )

But for what it's worth, the cancellation of the Camaro was due in part to issues with the factory. It was due for a redesign in '02, and had the *insert not-so-nice word here* senior management not pulled the plug, it would still be around today. After that, there was no bringing it back, nor planning to bring it back untill 2006. (Coincidence to the Camaro Concept's debut?) Had it not been for that, you ought to bet your bottom Camaro would have been back by now; Mustang or no.

I truly believe that the current Mustang's success had MUCH more influence in the decision to bring back the Challenger, then it had on the Camaro. Don't mistake me though, it's sales numbers certainly increased GM's optimism, no doubt. It's not like they were ignoring it.