B16 vs LS1!!!!!!

[RenegadeSS]

FIGHT!!!!!

[ChrisBlair]

how many hp per cubic inch for each? My old LNF beats the LS3 in that department, bone stock, at 2.0L

I'm all for V8s. But I want big power period. I'm no longer a purist as to where it comes from

[RenegadeSS]

Originally Posted by ChrisBlair

how many hp per cubic inch for each? My old LNF beats the LS3 in that department, bone stock, at 2.0L

I'm all for V8s. But I want big power period. I'm no longer a purist as to where it comes from

I here you. I do miss my LSJ. I had WOT box, and put down 310 to the wheels whit my TVS swap. I've dispatched quite a few camaros. It's true though. It doesn't matter how you make power, as long as you have it. Thought this would be fun. I had an argument with a Honda kid about his other worldly v-tec.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by ChrisBlair

how many hp per cubic inch for each? My old LNF beats the LS3 in that department, bone stock, at 2.0L

I'm all for V8s. But I want big power period. I'm no longer a purist as to where it comes from

Talking about hp/L of a forced induction engine vs NA

Oh well, its not so bad when someone on a forum does it. But when General Motors does it in a press release ...

[ChrisBlair]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Talking about hp/L of a forced induction engine vs NA

That's not taboo or inappropriate or non-germane to the subject. You missed the point. The person that made the thread didn't.

...and getting a face-palm from a mod. Thanks, pal, you're a real prince. Makes a guy feel really wanted.

[NASTY99Z28]

I didnt realize the carried so much weight around here.....

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by ChrisBlair

That's not taboo or inappropriate or non-germane to the subject. You missed the point. The person that made the thread didn't.

...and getting a face-palm from a mod. Thanks, pal, you're a real prince. Makes a guy feel really wanted.

I'm a moderator, not admin. And not once did I state, or imply that your views taboo or inappropriate for this thread. I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion from my post. I apologize for not making my intentions clear. If I had meant to warn you in some way about your post, I would have made it quite clear. Probably by editing/deleting your post and sending you a private message, if not an official infraction. As a general conduct rule, the Camaro5 staff does not address the conduct of individual members publicly. We might make a general comment, aimed at multiple people, but we avoid directing it at specific people. Lastly, I am deeply sorry that my reply made you feel unwelcome at Camaro5. I usually try to be very tactful and diplomatic when offering a differing opinion -especially when I don't know the person very well. Thank you for letting me know, because even though I can't make another first impression on you, hopefully things will improve for people to come.

I would like to clarify the point I was trying to make. You were not the 'target' of my comment, even though in retrospect I understand how you may have felt that way. In reality, it was supposed to be a jab at GM. They should know better than anyone that its unfair and/or misleading to compare forced induction and naturally aspirated engines for power density, yet they do it every time they get a new forced induction engine in a car.

[ChrisBlair]

Nasty- there's probably a great many things you don't know; either contribute or hit the PM button

DGthe3- You've misunderstood a little. My 'taboo' comment was re: the subject initiated by the thread starter, not the content of my statements in light of forum rules.

GM has been doing various things for decades that don't make sense. They have been touting hp/cubic inch or some variant of that since the 1950s. However specific output is a legitimate way to compare capabilities of technology that a particular engine has and if you understand the overall concept of what the car offers, it's a useful tool. An extension of the logic put forth by the issue is peak hp. Example: my 1SS has awful low rpm torque for a large V8 but 426 bhp is an impressive thing to put in an ad

As you and I know, that numbers game matters little when the powerband is so narrow you need a 12 speed transmission, and it also doesn't take into consideration the gearing of the trans or the final drive. I can build an engine that is quite powerful in peak hp, but will come in second in most drag races when in a car. The weights of the engines and associated systems never enters the manufacturer's proud statements about 'performance' in an ad either. The 'numbers' game for car power ratings has always been a fallacy in one way or another. They sell hp per liter, hp per cubic inch, peak hp, and leave it at that, but when we test drive, we're feeling torque in the usable power band.

On the street, where all my high performance cars have lived, natural aspiration vs forced induction have both had their pluses and minuses. That being said, it doesn't mean that one can't be compared to the other in terms of ability to produce power in relation to displacement. I've never been able to understand the idea that ancillary systems such as turbo chargers are just as ancillary as fuel injection. You wouldn't say "comparing a carbureted engine to a fuel injected engine" is something that's not legitimately done, I would think. Volumetric efficiency bragging rights etc aside for all of these wonderful things, in the real world its just ways to make an engine make more power.

I know a fair amount about cars, or at least internal combustion powered cars. Been doing this hobby for over twenty years and while I have seen first hand a high hp car beat my high torque car ultimately, I've seen that same race as a hands down failure for the high hp car for half the 1/4.

The issue of comparing the twin turbo V6 winner's anemic torque at low rpm to my losing n/a V8's 510 lb/ft at 2200 rpm is no more alien to me than finding that my engine is a relatively heavy 50 hp per liter monstrous hunk of iron and the other car's engine is a relatively light 130 hp per liter over-acheiver

As an FYI, your title came up as "Admin", in red, when I first replied but I edited it later. Possibly a refresh issue on my side?