when is GM going to build us a street "drag car"?

[MikeSVX]

Originally Posted by WongBob

I am hoping for this.

Seems like a lot of us want the same thing. Just an SS with a 427 that you can option out the same as any other SS. For me, a 427 1LE strictly for the factory gearing.

Well, as part of a "Drag Package", they could do a 427ci engine, 3.91 gears, stronger shafts and a special tranny. Then you wouldn't have to spend money on the track suspension components in the 1LE package.

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by WongBob

I am hoping for this.

Seems like a lot of us want the same thing. Just an SS with a 427 that you can option out the same as any other SS. .

exactly. option it any way you want.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by DuskSS

cheap speed gone?

are you in the same decade I am?

not even 10 years ago a 12 second factory car was nearly unheard of.

not to mention throwing in a cam and going 11s with no effort.
small shot and into the 10s what more do you want?

10 second quarters used to be the domain of purpose built race cars or super high budget street cars that were gutted.
now we can have that for under 10k more than factory with a full interior running the stereo and the air conditioning.

if that's not cheap horsepower I dunno what is..
people seem to forget how expensive it was to build a 11 second or 10 second car before all this modern technology.

I remember spending 1000s and 1000s on my fox body 5.0s trying to get them into the 11s in street driven configs.
the only way to do it was to stroke to 347 TFS TW heads, radical cam, after market fully ported intake and then just then you might be at 11.99

Well, in my day we could buy a car for around 1,200, build a junk yard big block, junk yard dana rearend and transmission and easily run in the 12's for way less then the base price of 30 grand just to get you started. Besides we're not talking about aftermarket HP. The thread is about a factory made drag car for the street and that wouldn't be cheap if you are expecting to be faster than the ZL1. I assumed that because if the OP didn't intend for that then why not just buy a ZL1 which is already available.

I really don't know what else GM can do to make people happy. They offer a Camaro for every price point and performance need one could ask for in a factory street legal car.

If you think that they can build a 10 or 11 second car for the street and sell it for the price of a V6 Camaro I think you and a lot of other people on this forum are smoking something that I would like try. Do you have any?

[big hammer]

amazing how many people miss the point.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by big hammer

amazing how many people miss the point.

I get what you're saying. I too would love to have a 1SS, with no bells and whistles with a 650HP motor that will smoke a GT500 on the 1/4. The problem is that I don't see it being possible for a reasonable price point. The motor isn't the only thing that would need upgraded if GM wanted the thing to be reliable too.

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by motorhead

I get what you're saying. I too would love to have a 1SS, with no bells and whistles with a 650HP motor that will smoke a GT500 on the 1/4. The problem is that I don't see it being possible for a reasonable price point. The motor isn't the only thing that would need upgraded if GM wanted the thing to be reliable too.

the z\28 has the same diff and axles as the ss. and even though a 650 hp 1ss would be the cats ass, an ls7 1ss would sell like mad of they could build it within the price point of a loaded 6.2 2ss.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by big hammer

it seems that all of their focus is primarily on the road course. the corvette and camaro are both now competeing against each other for king of the road. and in reality their offerings in the handling department are extrodinary!

i'm more of a camaro fan than a corvette fan. the corvette is more of you're fully trained MMA fighter ready for a sanctioned fight and the camaro is your tough as nails will fight anyone street fighter.

where is the cheaper, big engine, higher hp, fast, regular brakes and shocks package camaro from GM? I love the new Z\28! an ls7 camaro was always my dream car but for cruising i don't need solid gold rotors or shocks that are more advanced than a space shuttle and an MSRP of what may be 65+k.

just give me a regular SS price plus the engine cost. either LS7 or LSA. I don't need the rest of that handling nonsense on the street because to be honest i would never exceed any of these new camaros handling capabilities on the street.

They've got the COPO offerings...but those aren't street-able. Situation is...they are competing in a global market, even just in the US we're saturated with European and Japanese offerings. Straight line-onle cars are views as drooling neanderthals. I'd be interested to see what the market research looks like for a drag/street car...with like "skinny" 245s up front and 305 stickies on the back...among other things.

Originally Posted by snizzle

COPO Camaro. Done. Albeit very expensive and not street-able. I think Chevy is trying to shed the Camaros don't turn mantra.

Which is kind of ironic, because it was born with a nickname "Hugger", because it "hugged" the road so well compared to the competition...The 2nd gen sacrificed the aesthetics of a raked stance to improve handling...and this generation can out-race anything in its class on a road-course.

In my mind...Camaros have always been able to turn...might even say it was a special skill...

Originally Posted by big hammer

the z\28 has the same diff and axles as the ss.

Are you sure?

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

Are you sure?

yeah i thought i read in the z\28 forum that GM stated it has the regular rear.

[motorhead]

I guess it comes down to how fast are you expecting this factory street drag car to get down the 1/4. That would dictate much of the cost. Just putting an LS7 in an SS won't be beating any GT500s if that's a goal.

[DuskSS]

Originally Posted by motorhead

Well, in my day we could buy a car for around 1,200, build a junk yard big block, junk yard dana rearend and transmission and easily run in the 12's for way less then the base price of 30 grand just to get you started. Besides we're not talking about aftermarket HP. The thread is about a factory made drag car for the street and that wouldn't be cheap if you are expecting to be faster than the ZL1. I assumed that because if the OP didn't intend for that then why not just buy a ZL1 which is already available.

I really don't know what else GM can do to make people happy. They offer a Camaro for every price point and performance need one could ask for in a factory street legal car.

If you think that they can build a 10 or 11 second car for the street and sell it for the price of a V6 Camaro I think you and a lot of other people on this forum are smoking something that I would like try. Do you have any?

My point was the SS is cheap speed.
and never have minor changes made such a difference to engine performance.

I don't want a V6 priced race car. My point is the SS for what it is is an amazing bargain.
I never said I did.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by big hammer

yeah i thought i read in the z\28 forum that GM stated it has the regular rear.

I don't mean to derail the thread....but I highly doubt it...they upgraded the axels on the 1LE to cope with additional grip of the Goodyear tires, and these new Pirelli's on the Z/28 absolutely eclipse the Eagle F1's...

Plus, there's 70 more hp to contend with...

I wonder if what you read was an official statement or not - I don't remember reading anything like that in press/releases or spec sheets.

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by motorhead

I guess it comes down to how fast are you expecting this factory street drag car to get down the 1/4. That would dictate much of the cost. Just putting an LS7 in an SS won't be beating any GT500s if that's a goal.

that's not necessarily the goal. just that a near 12 second flat 1ss would be sweet.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by DuskSS

My point was the SS is cheap speed.
and never have minor changes made such a difference to engine performance.

I don't want a V6 priced race car. My point is the SS for what it is is an amazing bargain.
I never said I did.

I agree it is in the world we live in now a days when a pickup truck cost 50 to 60 grand. But also, 400 HP is pretty much the new norm, and when manufacturers start improving on the norm like the ZL1 and Z/28 then factory performance cost a premium. I just don't see how GM could offer a streetable drag car to compete with the like of a 2013 GT500 without it costing a pretty penny.

Like I said before maybe beating the shelby isn't the goal the OP had in mind, but in that case GM already makes cars that will compete.

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

I don't mean to derail the thread....but I highly doubt it...they upgraded the axels on the 1LE to cope with additional grip of the Goodyear tires, and these new Pirelli's on the Z/28 absolutely eclipse the Eagle F1's...

Plus, there's 70 more hp to contend with...

I wonder if what you read was an official statement or not - I don't remember reading anything like that in press/releases or spec sheets.

it was presented as a quote from GM. they said the z\28 is a track car and not meant to be a 1\4 mile car.