Ray Lewis took banned substance to recover from torn triceps

[Steve Dallas]

Originally Posted by dorfmac

Put simply, yes, that would be an accurate interpretation.

The first two are facepalm worthy, the last part about "paying people off" doesn't bother me. In that case, it takes two to tango. The victims family obviously felt that their son's was worth a dollar amount, so they accepted it. If they felt otherwise, then they shouldn't have accepted the money and stayed true to their morals.

And, so because the family did what it did...that suddenly makes what Ray did ok?

[dorfmac]

Originally Posted by Steve Dallas

And, so because the family did what it did...that suddenly makes what Ray did ok?

I'm not saying what Ray did was ok, but I do think that the way the families, when interviewed before the Super Bowl, continued their complaining and talking about how they never will forgive Ray Lewis and how he needs to be brought to justice, etc. was uncalled for. As soon as you accept that check, in my mind, you lose the right to ask for further justice. You put a price on your sons head, you accepted that price, don't all of a sudden come back and talk about how it wasn't enough ten years later.

[IrocJack]

I thought this thread was about deer antler spray?

[Steve Dallas]

Originally Posted by IrocJack

I thought this thread was about deer antler spray?

I think you've asked this before. I can change the title to "Ray Lewis is a accomplice to murder" if you want...

[swizlstik]

Originally Posted by Steve Dallas

I think you've asked this before. I can change the title to "Ray Lewis is a accomplice to murder" if you want...

[swizlstik]

Originally Posted by Steve Dallas

There. Done.

Now every time you bump this thread, we can remind everyone that doesn't know details about how much of a piece of scum Ray Lewis is. Happy?

Maybe you've figured out by now that I'm happy to get the word about his BS out to those that don't know...and will continue to do so every time his name is brought up.

Note...I won't and don't disparage the Ravens. Just the piece of crap that calls himself Ray Lewis.

My wife watched the ESPN special on him and actually fell for it. I am constantly showing her your posts in this thread. I didn't want him to win his first Super Bowl as well as this last one. Nothing more than a common thug.

[PIPE]

I would say Michael Vick is more of a THUG and piece of shit then Ray Lewis.

[Steve Dallas]

I keep posting much of the same thing, but I do bring up new things on this.

For example...if you read that story about the guy that killed 4 cops. I wonder if the Ray Lewis fans think that his accomplices should have gotten off. They didn't do much more than help hide evidence, give him a place to stay...and just drive him around.

According to certain Ravens fans logic, these guys should have gotten off. Or, maybe if they had lots of money, they would have gotten off, so that's cool.

Ray Lewis BOUGHT himself out of prison. Because of that, anything else he does in life will be and should be tainted. He used his money and influence to basically try to make everyone hide their head in the sand and forget that two people were murdered, and the perpetrators got off because of Ray Lewis hiding evidence, beating the legal system the same way OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony did, and then turning to Jesus as if that makes everything better.

Remember, Ray Lewis disappeared for TWO DAYS after the murders. I'm pretty sure he contacted his lawyers and they were involved in making sure everyone's stories were straight. That's what high paid lawyers do.

[IrocJack]

I like new things.

[Steve Dallas]

Originally Posted by IrocJack

I like new things.

So, you'll like the new experience of Ray Lewis being gone from football and no-one talking about him being a fake anymore, right?

[IrocJack]

You must have a sad boring life.

[Brutal SS]

Im a Buffalo Bills fan, but I can never accept OJ Simpson and the crimes he's committed.

Im a VA Tech fan, but I can never accept Michael Vick and the crimes he's committed.

The way people look the other way in cases like these is beyond me. Look at the throngs of people who do the same thing for Michael Jackson.

[Steve Dallas]

Originally Posted by IrocJack

You must have a sad boring life.

If my life is sad, it's because some people seem to think murder is fine. It's because some people choose to believe a bit of money spread around to lawyers and public relations fixes the extinguishing of a persons life.

Yep...life can be sad sometimes...because some people just don't care.

Maybe it's because my mom passed away recently. Maybe because of that I put the value of life & death in perspective. Yes, I'm sad...because I realize how precious life is.

Maybe other people understand that too. Unfortunately, it seems some people don't.

[atma]

interesting thread. my favorite part is how the OP seems to be trying to win an argument about something purely subjective... how one feels about another individual. you've made your case passionately and persuasively, but no one's budging. however, this post HAS raised a few interesting points in my mind about how we feel about NFL players who have committed crimes, so if I may bend your ear here a bit.

first off, let's talk about the most recent point to be brought up. Michael Vick is a piece of shit, Ray Lewis is a golden god. Well, both were allegedly involved in heinous acts, one admitted it and served time. The one who admitted nothing was allegedly involved in killing human beings, while the one who admitted to everything was involved in killing animals (animals which I absolutely love, so don't think I'm being biased here). The one who admitted everything served time in prison, yet is still a pariah (yes, even in Philly he was never really accepted, including that halfa season where he played really well). People protested his presence and decried his opportunity to return to the NFL, despite the fact that he presents one of the few, concrete, high profile examples that the American criminal justice system is supposed to be based around the idea of rehabilitation and not purely punishment. His actions since being released have only served to reinforce the idea that he understands what he did wrong and is making every attempt to atone. I believe the same can be said for Ray Lewis. Despite the fact that he has never actually served time, Ray Lewis DOES seem to make every attempt to have a positive impact on the community around him. Is he an annoying, self-aggrandizing, sanctimonious blowhard? ABSOLUTELY! but to make the argument that one is somehow worse than the other is to basically admit that you base your decisions on the color of someone's shirt.

But that aside, that's really only a minor issue with this thread. Here's what really sticks out to me. OP, you keep trying to make this point about the morality of those in the public eye and how we respond to them. you made no mention of comparing R. Kelly and his record sales after his child molestation (video evidence) to Michael Jackson and his public persona after his alleged child molestation. Not NFL players, but the seemingly backward outcome would've made a good parallel. you chose OJ? OJ's NFL career was long over. You chose two offenses from your local team? Interesting, but not quite of the magnitude of a Ray Lewis, nor the severity of a murder case. Why not Dante Stallworth? he was driving drunk when he struck and killed a pedestrian. It was found in court that the man was drunk as well and walked right out in front of him, but he spent 3 days in jail, i believe got suspended for 6 games, then played for the Redskins while their fan base jeered Philadelphians for the murderer on their team. Where was the national outcry? where was the local outcry? did you even know about this? It obviously didn't mean enough to you for it to instantly pop up in your head when people mention NFL players involved in the death of another human. What about Josh Brent of the Dallas Cowboys? Just this past season, he was driving drunk and crashed his vehicle, killing his passenger and teammate. Just a few days later, he was on the sidelines. granted, he was injured and therfore not in uniform, but why such a passive reaction to the death of a teammate at his hands? What about Dany Heatly, an NHL player who also killed a teammate while driving drunk, then went on to continue his successful career in the NHL (I believe he may have even been an all-star after that). Where is your moral outrage? Finally, are you really going to just go on and on and on about Ray Lewis and make NOT EVEN A PASSING MENTION of Leonard Little? Leonard Little, if you all may remember, was an all-star DE for the St Louis Rams during their Super Bowl years. in 1998, while driving drunk (not his first offense) he struck and killed a young woman, wife and mother of a small child and killed her. Leonard Little missed a total of 4 games due to suspension by the NFL and that was IT. no one ever cried. no one ever got sanctimonious and indignant over his very presence in the NFL. How do you think that young man and his son felt during every success Leonard Little achieved in the NFL?


Look, we get it. You don't like Ray Lewis. Neither do I! All I'm saying is that there's this really intangible thing when it comes to who we decide, as a society, to tear down and who we decide to give a pass. Regardless of the offense. There's no way you're gunna nail it down and to begrudge other people their choice to put on blinders doesn't actually make you a better or more morally superior person, nor does it give you the power to change any of their minds, as is evidenced by this thread. There are certainly plenty of folks out there who agree with you and plenty who don't. probably outnumbering both of those combined is the number of people who don't know and/or care anything about any of this. does that make it right? is our country going down the toilet? i'll hafta get back to that. Honey Boo Boo is on