Firearms Section

[Dznts]

Originally Posted by Mr Twisty

She needed to spend more time cleaning the buffer spring tho..... 15 minutes should do it.

[Number 3]

What I propose is that in order to win this once and for all, we need to understand why the "other side" says "no one needs one of those". One of those can be everything from a Ruger .22 pistol (still want one of those ) to a Barrett .50 cal. (would like one of those too).

I have friends and family on both sides of this question as I'm sure most of you posting in this thread do. And many of those on the other side have as much or more passion for their argument.

My wife has shot my 9mm one time. She won't go again, at least by her choice. Once when I came home unexpectedly and she was affraid upstairs, she grabbed scissors, not the S&W. She is that affraid of the weapon. And that is just the pistol.

I'm not a huge collector, I've just ended up with everyone's deer rifles over the years as they've retired and moved on or sadly passed away. If I were to post photos of my collection most of you would laugh (with the exception of 1).

So if not for me she would be like her parents. They would be affraid of the weapons themselves. They would be affraid of what the weapons can do. And mostly they would believe that you could take them all away and everything would be a happy, not threatening place with nothing to be affraid off.

So to respond with "cuz the 2nd amendment says so" will ultimately result in a constitutional battle for a change to the wording and intent. And I don't believe that will happen...................but it could.

I believe we have to keep the focus on the who rather than what. That responsible people can be trusted to own, collect, display and shoot firearms to any level they can afford. And that we as gun owners (at least I do) fully and strongly support keeping weapons from criminals or feeble minded people that cannot or are incapable of the level of responsibility.

And that takes us back to 400 HP Camaro It is the same battle to some extent. There are many environmentalists out there that see no reason why anyone would need a car like that.

Take any news article on gun control and replace the words gun, weapon with car and then replace assault rifle with Camaro SS and the word magazine or "clip" with 400 HP V8 engine.

I think you'll see it's the same argument.

For me personally, I view the gun itself as intertwined with who we are as a nation. In some cases it's more than the 2nd Amendmant. It's part of who we are and how we got here. And I still think that is important.

This debate is party about fear of the weapon itself not our right to own it. If I'm affraid of it, then you couldn't or shouldn't possibly need it. Right?

So I think we have to continue to demonstrate resposibility as gun owners and overcome that fear in others. That will go a long way in this debate.

I'm pretty sure that everyone in this thread would agree that there are some people that should not ever have access to a gun. And that for me is the tougher question. How do you prevent that?

[KEEP RT]

For me personally, I view the gun itself as intertwined with who we are as a nation. In some cases it's more than the 2nd Amendment. It's part of who we are and how we got here. And I still think that is important.



I'm with you.

[mntgome1]

I just scored Springfield XDm 40 compact online at Kentucky gun co. The only handgun I have ever owned was a Glock 23 which I no longer own. Does anyone have any personal opinions about the XDm. All online opinions seemed to be super positive about this particular firearm. This is gonna be the longest month of my life. I dont return conus for another 41 days.

[ChrisBlair]

Originally Posted by Number 3

How do you prevent that?

How do you prevent the exercise of free will in any "free" nation?

I feel your statements are pretty good, except that you seem to feel that people that may do harm would only do that harm if a gun was available.

If you prevented a person that shouldn't have a gun from having that gun, it's logical to say that it was prevented because of a big risk involved, right?

But if the risk is so big, access to a gun doesn't remove the risk, it only removes the risk of it being done with a firearm. Bear in mind that McVeigh didn't use a gun, and Lanza stole the guns he used. None of that's political, it's just fact

So the issue is, to me, "how do you prevent people from harming each other?" Education might be a good place to start, so that "guns" are not mysterious, shadowy monsters that kill of their own volition, and also that it's really wrong to hurt other people. But not that everyone has to be a pansy in order to get along, either. Bluntly, kids are not being raised, on the whole, to respect life. Their parents can't even be asked to respect coaches and little league officials, how would the kids know that other people are important too? We have a culture of acceptable violence in the USA.

Look at somebody like Chris Brown. Or Lindsay Lohan. These "celebrities" get third, fourth, fifth chances when they break laws and hurt people or put people at risk. Why are they different? Why do we let our children grow up thinking that's OK and why do we let them learn that they will not really get in trouble for breaking laws?

I feel that the lack of repercussion for breaking laws, that is sensationalized and made to appear the norm is responsible for a lot of our problems. Look at people you know that own guns and don't break laws. Why don't they break laws?

[Mr_Draco]

Originally Posted by mntgome1

I just scored Springfield XDm 40 compact online at Kentucky gun co. The only handgun I have ever owned was a Glock 23 which I no longer own. Does anyone have any personal opinions about the XDm. All online opinions seemed to be super positive about this particular firearm. This is gonna be the longest month of my life. I dont return conus for another 41 days.

I've shot XD's and Glocks and in my opinion the XD and XDm lines are much better than the Glocks.

[mntgome1]

Originally Posted by Mr_Draco

I've shot XD's and Glocks and in my opinion the XD and XDm lines are much better than the Glocks.

Thats pretty much been the same opinion across the board. This will be my first experience with an XDm so hopefully I love my new toy.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by ChrisBlair

How do you prevent the exercise of free will in any "free" nation?

I feel your statements are pretty good, except that you seem to feel that people that may do harm would only do that harm if a gun was available.

If you prevented a person that shouldn't have a gun from having that gun, it's logical to say that it was prevented because of a big risk involved, right?

But if the risk is so big, access to a gun doesn't remove the risk, it only removes the risk of it being done with a firearm. Bear in mind that McVeigh didn't use a gun, and Lanza stole the guns he used. None of that's political, it's just fact

So the issue is, to me, "how do you prevent people from harming each other?" Education might be a good place to start, so that "guns" are not mysterious, shadowy monsters that kill of their own volition, and also that it's really wrong to hurt other people. But not that everyone has to be a pansy in order to get along, either. Bluntly, kids are not being raised, on the whole, to respect life. Their parents can't even be asked to respect coaches and little league officials, how would the kids know that other people are important too? We have a culture of acceptable violence in the USA.

Look at somebody like Chris Brown. Or Lindsay Lohan. These "celebrities" get third, fourth, fifth chances when they break laws and hurt people or put people at risk. Why are they different? Why do we let our children grow up thinking that's OK and why do we let them learn that they will not really get in trouble for breaking laws?

I feel that the lack of repercussion for breaking laws, that is sensationalized and made to appear the norm is responsible for a lot of our problems. Look at people you know that own guns and don't break laws. Why don't they break laws?

No not saying the availability of a gun is what enables crack pots to do harm. That sadly will happen if there were no guns at all. But I believe part of solving this issue about gun control is to be able to ensure they don't have access to guns. Preventing crackpots and mentally unstable people from harming others is a different issue in my opinion. And if there were no guns we would as a society stool have to have that discussion.

[CHMSC]

Originally Posted by Maxspeed

How to clean your AR

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[Maxspeed]

Originally Posted by Mr Twisty

She needed to spend more time cleaning the buffer spring tho..... 15 minutes should do it.

She is no stranger to the stoking motion

[CHMSC]

Originally Posted by Maxspeed

She is no stranger to the stoking motion

She had that down pretty good. I would let her clean my barrel anytime

[DandDC09]

I own a XD .40 subcompact and a Sig Sauer P250 9mm compact and I love my XD by far! It's a great feel and fire gun.... You'll love it!

Originally Posted by mntgome1

I just scored Springfield XDm 40 compact online at Kentucky gun co. The only handgun I have ever owned was a Glock 23 which I no longer own. Does anyone have any personal opinions about the XDm. All online opinions seemed to be super positive about this particular firearm. This is gonna be the longest month of my life. I dont return conus for another 41 days.

[Maxspeed]

Originally Posted by CHMSC

She had that down pretty good. I would let her clean my barrel anytime

I would too, best part is I'm shooting blanks

[Maxspeed]

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