Firearms Section

[Dangeruss]

Originally Posted by BaylorCamaro

Need some advice from you gun experts. Looking to buy an AR variant, the local gun range (usually had 2-3 dozen rifles) only has 1 atm. There's a 80 person wait list for any AR's. So that leads me to my question of where I should buy one. I've been looking on gunbroker.com but how tusted is that site? I always question online auctions where I cannot see the product before I buy it.

Here's the gun I was looking into, but this company is WAY backlogged

http://www.battleriflecompany.com/co...r4_spectre.asp

I purchased my POF (pics a few pages back) from Gunbroker. It's just like eBay...all depends on who you're buying from and their feedback. The company I bought from was actually a distributor, so I was good to go. Keep in mind that the prices are pretty insane right now. It looks like people are getting some stock back in, but the prices are still pretty insane. A standard Bushmaster is still going for $1500 (down from $2000 last week). Pretty crazy for something you could've bought a month ago for $700.

[Infern0]

Originally Posted by Dangeruss

but the prices are still pretty insane. A standard Bushmaster is still going for $1500 (down from $2000 last week). Pretty crazy for something you could've bought a month ago for $700.

Blegh, no kidding. I can't wait until the "ban" flops out and thousands of people are stuck trying to sell them for a loss when they thought they were gonna turn a profit. Just like the housing market in 2006/7.

[Dangeruss]

Originally Posted by Infern0

Blegh, no kidding. I can't wait until the "ban" flops out and thousands of people are stuck trying to sell them for a loss when they thought they were gonna turn a profit. Just like the housing market in 2006/7.

I don't really think they're going to have the votes to pass a ban, especially with the craziness that Feinstein is putting into it. This could actually be good for us. The firearms manufacturers are pumping out all the guns they can right now. If the ban doesn't happen, they'll be stuck with all kinds of weapons they'll need to get rid of.

[kalimus]

Originally Posted by Dangeruss

I don't really think they're going to have the votes to pass a ban, especially with the craziness that Feinstein is putting into it. This could actually be good for us. The firearms manufacturers are pumping out all the guns they can right now. If the ban doesn't happen, they'll be stuck with all kinds of weapons they'll need to get rid of.

I wouldn't be concerned about a ban if they hadn't done it already in the past. I'm not very confident right now...

[CamaroSkooter]

But the fact that they did the ban before and every institution that studied its affects came out and blatantly said that the number of cases involving so-called "assault weapons" were so small before the ban, that statistically they couldn't even determine if the ban had an affect, either good or bad, just kind of blows my mind.



Knee-jerk reaction by the uninformed (read: ignorant)

[Dangeruss]

Originally Posted by kalimus

I wouldn't be concerned about a ban if they hadn't done it already in the past. I'm not very confident right now...

The problem is that they're taking it to a bigger extreme this time. Here's her proposal.

Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of:

• 120 specifically-named firearms;
• Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one or more military characteristics; and
• Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds.

Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by:

• Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test;
• Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test; and
• Banning firearms with “thumbhole stocks” and “bullet buttons” to address attempts to “work around” prior bans.

Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds.
Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by:

• Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment;
• Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes; and
• Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons.

Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include:

• Background check of owner and any transferee;
• Type and serial number of the firearm;
• Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;
• Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and
• Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration.

Even people that aren't as gun educated as some of us don't like the idea of so much government intrusion into our lives. Only time will tell, but I'm really not expecting (and seriously hoping) that they'll have enough votes to pass both senate and the house.

[CamaroSkooter]

Have you seen the video of the interview of a congresswoman who didn't even know what a "barrel shroud" was that was banned in the proposed bill that SHE wrote?

[Dangeruss]

Originally Posted by CamaroSkooter

Have you seen the video of the interview of a congresswoman who didn't even know what a "barrel shroud" was that was banned in the proposed bill that SHE wrote?

You weren't surprised by this were you?

Here's a long but great read from an expert.

http://1389blog.com/2012/12/23/larry...e-and-for-all/

[Mr Twisty]

Originally Posted by Infern0

Blegh, no kidding. I can't wait until the "ban" flops out and thousands of people are stuck trying to sell them for a loss when they thought they were gonna turn a profit. Just like the housing market in 2006/7.

As long as folks are writing their congressmen it will likely never even get to the voting stage..... and if they are banned the prices will skyrocket! sales will just go underground.

The government can't void the 2nd amendment... it has fail-safes.

[BullF-16]

http://nation.foxnews.com/politics/2...#ixzz2H0xqs6ov

[Camaro_Corvette]

Originally Posted by CamaroSkooter

Have you seen the video of the interview of a congresswoman who didn't even know what a "barrel shroud" was that was banned in the proposed bill that SHE wrote?

[Mr Twisty]

Originally Posted by BullF-16

http://nation.foxnews.com/politics/2...#ixzz2H0xqs6ov

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‘No ma’am’: Letter from U.S. Marine to Dianne Feinstein goes viral

The following letter, written by U.S. Marine Joshua Boston and headlined “No ma’am.,” was posted in the CNN iReport on Dec. 27 with the included note from the producer and photo. It has struck a nerve with many and is being circulated around social media venues like Twitter and Facebook.

Senator Dianne Feinstein,

I will not register my weapons should this bill be passed, as I do not believe it is the government’s right to know what I own. Nor do I think it prudent to tell you what I own so that it may be taken from me by a group of people who enjoy armed protection yet decry me having the same a crime. You ma’am have overstepped a line that is not your domain. I am a Marine Corps Veteran of 8 years, and I will not have some woman who proclaims the evil of an inanimate object, yet carries one, tell me I may not have one.

I am not your subject. I am the man who keeps you free. I am not your servant. I am the person whom you serve. I am not your peasant. I am the flesh and blood of America.

I am the man who fought for my country. I am the man who learned. I am an American. You will not tell me that I must register my semi-automatic AR-15 because of the actions of some evil man.

I will not be disarmed to suit the fear that has been established by the media and your misinformation campaign against the American public.

We, the people, deserve better than you.

Respectfully Submitted,
Joshua Boston
Cpl, United States Marine Corps
2004-2012



Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/politics/2...#ixzz2H1gkwup5

[BullF-16]

Originally Posted by CamaroSkooter

Have you seen the video of the interview of a congresswoman who didn't even know what a "barrel shroud" was that was banned in the proposed bill that SHE wrote?

[BullF-16]

"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams

”The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.”
~Thomas Jefferson

”Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the outcome of the vote.”
~Benjamin Franklin


"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Co-author of the Second Amendment
during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788

"Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurrence's and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."
George Washington
First President of the United States

"The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand arms, like laws, discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside … Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them."
Thomas Paine

"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
Richard Henry Lee
American Statesman, 1788

"The great object is that every man be armed." and "Everyone who is able may have a gun."
Patrick Henry
American Patriot

"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
Thomas Jefferson
Third President of the United States

"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that … it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; … "
Thomas Jefferson
letter to Justice John Cartwright, June 5, 1824. ME 16:45.

"The best we can help for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."
Alexander Hamilton
The Federalist Papers at 184-8

"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
- Thomas Jefferson

"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria)

"Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self defense."
- John Adams

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
- Patrick Henry


”A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.” ~George Washington