Overseas muscle cars

10BlkSS · 12-29-2012, 06:46 PM

Several years ago, thinking back to my business trip to Tokyo, I noticed a couple Mustang's on the streets and now that I own an SS, I wonder, how expensive and exclusive is it to have one of our cars in a city such as Tokyo, or London or wherever? I came to think of this seeing that I work for a London bank right now and figure if i ever relocated to HQ keeping the Camaro is out of the question unless it is a very good promotion. Anyone out there know about foreign muscle and what people do to own them elsewhere and keep them fueled up?

2xSSRS · 12-29-2012, 06:51 PM

Wow. Narrow streets, small cars, seven dollar/gl gas. Plus the cost to ship it over and back. Might want to look at a smart car for that trip.

Baltimorejohn1 · 12-29-2012, 07:03 PM

"Camaro attracts a crowd everywhere it goes, whether it's at a Chevrolet dealership, a car show, or driving down the boulevard. As such, Camaro has become a halo for the global Chevrolet brand, offering head-turning design, performance and value that appeals to car enthusiasts everywhere," Johnson said.

As such, the Camaro has created a world-wide sensation from Abu Dhabi to Tokyo.

Here's how Dino Dalle Carbonare from Speedhunters.com described driving a Camaro in Tokyo:

"My ride for the week was a metallic red Camaro SS riding on optional 21-inch rims, probably one of the most eye-catching cars I have driven in Japan. Within two minutes I already had businessmen at pedestrian crossings pointing and staring at the big wide front grille, and other motorists rubbernecking as they passed me on the opposite lane."

Sales outside the U.S. are expected to grow significantly, as Chevrolet increases production to accommodate exports for Chevrolet's largest markets, including Brazil, China, Russia, and Europe.

South Korea is also expected to contribute to the rise in sales next year. The new Camaro was introduced at the Busan Motor Show in April as an example of the types of products Korean customers can expect when Chevrolet begins selling cars in the country in 2011.
"Camaro has already helped create excitement for the Chevrolet brand," said Johnson. "Its influence will continue to grow as we introduce Camaro to car enthusiasts around the world."

PR Newswire (http://s.tt/1vJbf)

05stram · 12-29-2012, 07:05 PM

Get you a WRX Sti over there and enjoy it. I for one after being there would not want a wide bodied car - sticks out and you know if you have any experience there how that works out for you in the long run.

yellowrs · 12-29-2012, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 10BlkSS

Several years ago, thinking back to my business trip to Tokyo, I noticed a couple Mustang's on the streets and now that I own an SS, I wonder, how expensive and exclusive is it to have one of our cars in a city such as Tokyo, or London or wherever? I came to think of this seeing that I work for a London bank right now and figure if i ever relocated to HQ keeping the Camaro is out of the question unless it is a very good promotion. Anyone out there know about foreign muscle and what people do to own them elsewhere and keep them fueled up?

In Germany you usually spend the same amount of the listed MSRP here in Euros there. So a $45K Camaro here would cost you about $60K in Germany.
Prices are set firm and not negotiable if you buy it new from a dealer.
The most expensive part about owning an American Muscle Car in Europe is the gas.
Insurance can be quite cheap if you have a clean driving history.

MoeIv · 12-29-2012, 07:30 PM

Muscle cars where I live are fairly expensive not anyone can get a ss camaro, srt8 challenger etc a 40k$ camaro would cost 60k-ish $ where I live... Gas is cheap so it kinda makes up for the price. However the traffic, roads and the lack of drag strips is what keeps us from not enjoying our cars...

Ps. You can't build your own camaro here, you get what you see.

London-SS · 12-29-2012, 11:40 PM

The only issues in London would be the price of petrol and spares.
I wouldnt be too worried about narrow streets,we have a huge number of super cars driving around which are wider than Camaros.

Upside! You will be the centre of attention every where you go!

RSloth · 12-30-2012, 12:11 AM

I actually have a friend in London, She saw a picture of my car on Facebook and responded with "what the hell is that?"
after asking if she's seen transformers. she said,"but its not yellow"

I guess they're very rare where she lives

Mr pogo · 12-30-2012, 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10BlkSS

Several years ago, thinking back to my business trip to Tokyo, I noticed a couple Mustang's on the streets and now that I own an SS, I wonder, how expensive and exclusive is it to have one of our cars in a city such as Tokyo, or London or wherever? I came to think of this seeing that I work for a London bank right now and figure if i ever relocated to HQ keeping the Camaro is out of the question unless it is a very good promotion. Anyone out there know about foreign muscle and what people do to own them elsewhere and keep them fueled up?

not muscle per se

ps2ren · 12-30-2012, 12:45 AM

I'm not sure about Japan but China has import tax based on engine size
50% for less than 3 liter
100% for 3~4 liter
150% for over 4 liter
I'm not joking, you would pay 150% of the current value on your car to get it through customs.
Sure there are ways to grease the officials but if you have to ask then you don't have the connections.
I have a feeling Japan won't be too far behind on this as most Asian countries have terrible pollution problems.

The cost of domestically made foreign cars don't cost too much more, but camaros aren't being made in Chinese GM factories yet.
The only option they have is a mixed 1LT-2LT for 600k RMB, divide by 6 into 100k dollars, again it's not a joke, I know ppl who current drives one in China

Aubrey64 · 12-30-2012, 01:54 AM

I'm not sure about price but it would be pretty difficult to drive. I've been to a few European countries and its very rare to see wide bodied cars. I feel like all the cars I see are very small like smart cars, or mopeds/motorcycles, and then you see some nice exotics but I have never seen a Camaro. Narrow streets, limited parking, and crowds are not a good combo for a Camaro

Michael R. · 12-30-2012, 02:46 AM

Approx. costs per month in Germany are listed here:

http://www.autokostencheck.de/Chevro...521_36288.html

Of course gas is still much more expensive around 1.60 - 1.80 € per litre. Taxes are c. 560 € per year for the V8 and insurance is c. 1.000 - 2500 € per year depending on location, age and driving experience.

Roads are a little bit tight but I'm used to it. Driving in the older pars of some towns will be quite different to The US. Some parking lots are too small and also I cannot use all parking garages with our Camaro.

Costs will vary a lot in different European countries and I believe Germany is one of the more affordable ones.

E.g. you will have to pay penalty taxes on top of the car's list price when buying new between 20.000 and 75.000 US$ in some countries (Austria, Netherlands).

Almost impossible to own a luxury car in Italy today...

Most EU countries are very strict now about CO2 and charge thousands of €€€ of penalty charges on top of more expensive gas.

Cheers

Michael

PS: still lots of fun to drive especially on the Autobahn or curvy mountain roads!

PSPS: not a lot of muscle cars in Germany. I think we still have much less than 1000 5th generation Camaros on German roads.

PSPSPS: even more expensive compared to the typical German Volswagen Golf (or even smaller Polo or Up) the car is much mor affordable compared to Audi, BMW or Mercedes with less power since the German list price is very low compared to similar powered sports or touring cars. The most affordable new car with a V8 over here.

Stingray · 12-30-2012, 02:49 AM

Philippines:

100k for a new Camaro 2SS (http://www.chevy.com.ph/camaro)

or 70k for a new 5.0 GT Premium

stray bullitt · 12-30-2012, 06:08 AM

Hey up, I drive my Camaro daily here in England, and really have no issues, other than the price of petrol. The prices of spares are no more expensive than any other mid priced car, insurance is reasonable (£500/$750 per year, age 49 with one speeding ticket, and a substantial crash claim history), and as for tight space driving on the roads, well that is a myth mainly conjured up by U.S. tourists who have seen our quaint little medieaval side streets. We have 40 tonne semi-trucks over here you know, who need to deliver in our towns and cities. Overtaking can sometimes be a bit tricky (in UK and Japan), unless you have a trusted passenger, but you just hang out a bit wider, and gun it if it's clear

If you want to be noticed, certainly, anywhere in Europe, or indeed japan, bring on the Camaro, you will love the experience.

12-29-2012, 06:46 PM	#1
10BlkSS Drives: 2010 Camaro SS Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Grand Island NY Posts: 248	Overseas muscle cars Several years ago, thinking back to my business trip to Tokyo, I noticed a couple Mustang's on the streets and now that I own an SS, I wonder, how expensive and exclusive is it to have one of our cars in a city such as Tokyo, or London or wherever? I came to think of this seeing that I work for a London bank right now and figure if i ever relocated to HQ keeping the Camaro is out of the question unless it is a very good promotion. Anyone out there know about foreign muscle and what people do to own them elsewhere and keep them fueled up? __________________ Maxima SE (Traded) Camaro SS Hummer H3

12-29-2012, 06:51 PM	#2
2xSSRS Drives: 2017 SS Black on Black A8 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Ohio Posts: 974	Wow. Narrow streets, small cars, seven dollar/gl gas. Plus the cost to ship it over and back. Might want to look at a smart car for that trip. __________________

12-29-2012, 07:03 PM	#3
Baltimorejohn1 Drives: Camaro 2SS Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: DC Metro Posts: 1,257 View My Garage	"Camaro attracts a crowd everywhere it goes, whether it's at a Chevrolet dealership, a car show, or driving down the boulevard. As such, Camaro has become a halo for the global Chevrolet brand, offering head-turning design, performance and value that appeals to car enthusiasts everywhere," Johnson said. As such, the Camaro has created a world-wide sensation from Abu Dhabi to Tokyo. Here's how Dino Dalle Carbonare from Speedhunters.com described driving a Camaro in Tokyo: "My ride for the week was a metallic red Camaro SS riding on optional 21-inch rims, probably one of the most eye-catching cars I have driven in Japan. Within two minutes I already had businessmen at pedestrian crossings pointing and staring at the big wide front grille, and other motorists rubbernecking as they passed me on the opposite lane." Sales outside the U.S. are expected to grow significantly, as Chevrolet increases production to accommodate exports for Chevrolet's largest markets, including Brazil, China, Russia, and Europe. South Korea is also expected to contribute to the rise in sales next year. The new Camaro was introduced at the Busan Motor Show in April as an example of the types of products Korean customers can expect when Chevrolet begins selling cars in the country in 2011. "Camaro has already helped create excitement for the Chevrolet brand," said Johnson. "Its influence will continue to grow as we introduce Camaro to car enthusiasts around the world." PR Newswire (http://s.tt/1vJbf) __________________ K&N TYPHOON http://www.youtube.com/user/Baltimorejohn1

12-30-2012, 12:45 AM	#10
ps2ren Drives: Camaro SS Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 219	I'm not sure about Japan but China has import tax based on engine size 50% for less than 3 liter 100% for 3~4 liter 150% for over 4 liter I'm not joking, you would pay 150% of the current value on your car to get it through customs. Sure there are ways to grease the officials but if you have to ask then you don't have the connections. I have a feeling Japan won't be too far behind on this as most Asian countries have terrible pollution problems. The cost of domestically made foreign cars don't cost too much more, but camaros aren't being made in Chinese GM factories yet. The only option they have is a mixed 1LT-2LT for 600k RMB, divide by 6 into 100k dollars, again it's not a joke, I know ppl who current drives one in China __________________

12-30-2012, 01:54 AM	#11
Aubrey64 Drives: 2010 Camaro LLT/RS Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 2,684	I'm not sure about price but it would be pretty difficult to drive. I've been to a few European countries and its very rare to see wide bodied cars. I feel like all the cars I see are very small like smart cars, or mopeds/motorcycles, and then you see some nice exotics but I have never seen a Camaro. Narrow streets, limited parking, and crowds are not a good combo for a Camaro __________________

12-29-2012, 07:05 PM	#4
05stram Drives: 2013 RS - 2013 2SS/RS - 1971 RS Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: West Virginia Posts: 1,027	Get you a WRX Sti over there and enjoy it. I for one after being there would not want a wide bodied car - sticks out and you know if you have any experience there how that works out for you in the long run.

12-29-2012, 07:30 PM	#6
MoeIv Drives: IOM 2SS/RS Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Qatar Posts: 702	Muscle cars where I live are fairly expensive not anyone can get a ss camaro, srt8 challenger etc a 40k$ camaro would cost 60k-ish $ where I live... Gas is cheap so it kinda makes up for the price. However the traffic, roads and the lack of drag strips is what keeps us from not enjoying our cars... Ps. You can't build your own camaro here, you get what you see.

12-29-2012, 11:40 PM	#7
London-SS Drives: 2010 Chevy Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: London-Dubai Posts: 203	The only issues in London would be the price of petrol and spares. I wouldnt be too worried about narrow streets,we have a huge number of super cars driving around which are wider than Camaros. Upside! You will be the centre of attention every where you go!

12-30-2012, 12:11 AM	#8
RSloth [COTW- Never!] Drives: Slothy; Sloth-like Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: California Posts: 831	I actually have a friend in London, She saw a picture of my car on Facebook and responded with "what the hell is that?" after asking if she's seen transformers. she said,"but its not yellow" I guess they're very rare where she lives

12-30-2012, 02:46 AM	#12
Michael R. Drives: Camaro EU (2SS/RS)&Skoda Octavia RS Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Germany Posts: 106	Approx. costs per month in Germany are listed here: http://www.autokostencheck.de/Chevro...521_36288.html Of course gas is still much more expensive around 1.60 - 1.80 € per litre. Taxes are c. 560 € per year for the V8 and insurance is c. 1.000 - 2500 € per year depending on location, age and driving experience. Roads are a little bit tight but I'm used to it. Driving in the older pars of some towns will be quite different to The US. Some parking lots are too small and also I cannot use all parking garages with our Camaro. Costs will vary a lot in different European countries and I believe Germany is one of the more affordable ones. E.g. you will have to pay penalty taxes on top of the car's list price when buying new between 20.000 and 75.000 US$ in some countries (Austria, Netherlands). Almost impossible to own a luxury car in Italy today... Most EU countries are very strict now about CO2 and charge thousands of €€€ of penalty charges on top of more expensive gas. Cheers Michael PS: still lots of fun to drive especially on the Autobahn or curvy mountain roads! PSPS: not a lot of muscle cars in Germany. I think we still have much less than 1000 5th generation Camaros on German roads. PSPSPS: even more expensive compared to the typical German Volswagen Golf (or even smaller Polo or Up) the car is much mor affordable compared to Audi, BMW or Mercedes with less power since the German list price is very low compared to similar powered sports or touring cars. The most affordable new car with a V8 over here.

12-30-2012, 02:49 AM	#13
Stingray just can't get enough Drives: a bunch of fast toys... Join Date: May 2012 Location: SoFla Posts: 3,598 View My Garage	Philippines: 100k for a new Camaro 2SS (http://www.chevy.com.ph/camaro) or 70k for a new 5.0 GT Premium

12-30-2012, 06:08 AM	#14
stray bullitt Drives: Bentley Continental GT. Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Boston, Lincolnshire, England Posts: 1,022	Hey up, I drive my Camaro daily here in England, and really have no issues, other than the price of petrol. The prices of spares are no more expensive than any other mid priced car, insurance is reasonable (£500/$750 per year, age 49 with one speeding ticket, and a substantial crash claim history), and as for tight space driving on the roads, well that is a myth mainly conjured up by U.S. tourists who have seen our quaint little medieaval side streets. We have 40 tonne semi-trucks over here you know, who need to deliver in our towns and cities. Overtaking can sometimes be a bit tricky (in UK and Japan), unless you have a trusted passenger, but you just hang out a bit wider, and gun it if it's clear If you want to be noticed, certainly, anywhere in Europe, or indeed japan, bring on the Camaro, you will love the experience.