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Old 10-22-2012, 11:49 PM   #29
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I think reality has rejected you. If what you say is correct, then there would be no reason to make 4 cylinder Mustange and Camaros in the next generation.
No reason? A 4 cylinder Mustang (or Camaro) would be lighter and more affordable, while also getting better fuel economy than a V6. Yes, it wouldn't be as powerful and would be seen as blasphemy in the eyes of enthusiasts, but it would probably tap into a market that ordinarily wouldn't even consider a Camaro or Mustang in the first place. That, in turn, would increase overall sales. So if there are enough people interested in such a car, it would be a smart move for automakers to build it.

CAFE isn't the only thing the OEMs base their product decisions on.
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Old 10-23-2012, 11:11 PM   #30
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No reason? A 4 cylinder Mustang (or Camaro) would be lighter and more affordable, while also getting better fuel economy than a V6. Yes, it wouldn't be as powerful and would be seen as blasphemy in the eyes of enthusiasts, but it would probably tap into a market that ordinarily wouldn't even consider a Camaro or Mustang in the first place. That, in turn, would increase overall sales. So if there are enough people interested in such a car, it would be a smart move for automakers to build it.

CAFE isn't the only thing the OEMs base their product decisions on.

For the sake of argument, let us pretend that CAFE has nothing to do with these blunders and this is all about some new marketing strategy...

You are aware that packaging a V8 in a car designed for a 4-cylinder results in compromises which have adverse effects on the mod-ability and performance of the V8 equipped car, which do not manifest themselves in a car designed specifically for a V8.

Conversely, putting a 4-cylinder engine in a vehicle designed specifically for a high output V8 engine has negative effects on the ability of the 4-cylinder engine to reach maximum fuel efficiency and performance.

In the end SOMEONE is gonna have to make some compromises. Do you risk making a V8 car that is cramped under the hood and needs extensive structural work to accept commonplace performance mods, so that marketing can chase after a few potential import shoppers?
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Old 10-24-2012, 05:23 AM   #31
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Anyways, we should get a lot more information on the new Gen V from GM this week. Standby and we will soon have facts instead of conjecture.
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For the sake of argument, let us pretend that CAFE has nothing to do with these blunders and this is all about some new marketing strategy...

You are aware that packaging a V8 in a car designed for a 4-cylinder results in compromises which have adverse effects on the mod-ability and performance of the V8 equipped car, which do not manifest themselves in a car designed specifically for a V8.

Conversely, putting a 4-cylinder engine in a vehicle designed specifically for a high output V8 engine has negative effects on the ability of the 4-cylinder engine to reach maximum fuel efficiency and performance.

In the end SOMEONE is gonna have to make some compromises. Do you risk making a V8 car that is cramped under the hood and needs extensive structural work to accept commonplace performance mods, so that marketing can chase after a few potential import shoppers?
Yes, compromises are always made when complicating the design. They even extend beyond the engine bay. And I am personally against the use of a turbocharged 4 cylinder in a Camaro or Mustang because I don't believe there to be any substantial benefits relative to a V6 (however, a naturally aspirated 4 is a different story). But my point was that CAFE doesn't have to be the driving factor behind powertrain decisions in cars like the Camaro or Mustang. They might be able to kill 2 birds with one stone, but at the end of the day it usually gets back to selling more cars & making more money.



Now that thats cleared up, looks like the 5.5L rumours were (as Fen has been saying for ... years?) indeed false. Corvette is getting a new 6.2L LT1 Gen V V8 with at least 450 hp and 450 ft-lbs of torque.
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