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Old 09-08-2012, 11:09 AM   #15
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I also really enjoy the stock Pioneer upgraded sound system, but I feel that overall the Camaro BA is better with more bass and wider dynamic range based on my ears and my personal taste. The Pioneer system is still awesome though for a factory system. The Mach 460, Camaro BA, and Cruze Pioneer systems are good enough for me to live with as is. Upgrading them is not required, but some folks put a higher value in their sound systems and choose to do so.

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Old 09-08-2012, 11:16 AM   #16
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Not sure if I'm aloud to admit this openly, but I love my Cruze way more than my 2012 TF3 Edition 2SS Camaro!

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Old 09-08-2012, 11:34 AM   #17
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I also really enjoy the stock Pioneer upgraded sound system, but I feel that overall the Camaro BA is better with more bass and wider dynamic range based on my ears and my personal taste. The Pioneer system is still awesome though for a factory system. The Mach 460, Camaro BA, and Cruze Pioneer systems are good enough for me to live with as is. Upgrading them is not required, but some folks put a higher value in their sound systems and choose to do so.

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That's funny it is the bass response I thought was much deeper and fuller. A lot of factors go into it too. Cabin size, music type, EQ settings. Could be that it is my daily driver too. My wife has the Bose system in her Denali I thought that was great until I heard the Cruze.
Pioneer has always had great sound since way back in the day.
I agree all of these systems are just fine and require no upgrades.
What is the Mach 460?
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Old 09-08-2012, 11:36 AM   #18
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Mach 460 is the older Ford upgraded system, my father has the 2003 SVT Cobra with it and its pretty impressive.

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Old 09-08-2012, 06:28 PM   #19
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We have an Black Granite Met Eco and an Cyrstal Red Met LTZ with RS Appearance Pkg. LTZ is loaded and rides completely different imho with the 18" wheels and gets slightly less mpg. The LTZ just looks bigger. Yeah the Pioneer Sound system is pretty good imho. Remote Start is great if you remember to leave the Air Cranked when you exit. Love them.
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Old 09-08-2012, 07:08 PM   #20
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That black one is not an RS though, am I correct? I don't see the RS badge on the side, nor the front fascia with fog lights. I kind of like the eco wheels. The tires are a lower profile as well. I may try to buy a used set of eco wheels for my 1LT.

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Old 09-09-2012, 03:40 PM   #21
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We have an Black Granite Met Eco and an Cyrstal Red Met LTZ with RS Appearance Pkg. LTZ is loaded and rides completely different imho with the 18" wheels and gets slightly less mpg. The LTZ just looks bigger. Yeah the Pioneer Sound system is pretty good imho. Remote Start is great if you remember to leave the Air Cranked when you exit. Love them.
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I could not find an LTZ RS when I was looking. I would have liked that with the different rims and leather seats. Looks nice did you get Mylink?
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Old 09-09-2012, 04:44 PM   #22
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That black one is not an RS though, am I correct? I don't see the RS badge on the side, nor the front fascia with fog lights.
Correct,you cannot get the RS package on the ECO model.
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Old 09-09-2012, 05:00 PM   #23
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Not sure if I'm aloud to admit this openly, but I love my Cruze way more than my 2012 TF3 Edition 2SS Camaro!

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Old 09-09-2012, 05:56 PM   #24
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Not sure if I'm aloud to admit this openly, but I love my Cruze way more than my 2012 TF3 Edition 2SS Camaro!

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You're welcome to admit it, but I'm wondering why you keep the car that is 10K plus more expensive.
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Old 09-09-2012, 06:00 PM   #25
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You're welcome to admit it, but I'm wondering why you keep the car that is 10K plus more expensive.
$21,000 for the Cruze
$44,000 for the TF3 Edition Camaro 2SS/RS with the dealer optioned ground effects kit

It is, what it is. I really enjoy my Cruze daily driver.

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Old 09-09-2012, 06:24 PM   #26
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I like driving my Cruze too. But it is just a daily driver. I can't wait for the weekends and nice days to drive my Camaro.
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Old 09-09-2012, 08:00 PM   #27
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Lol v8 that's funny but I have a cruze lt really all u get is ground effects kit nicer wheels remote start and I think a nav screen
This. It's just an appearance package like it is on the Camaro, it also includes leather seats.
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Old 09-09-2012, 08:11 PM   #28
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Mines a 1LT/RS. It has no leather and no remote start. It's there anything saying that remote is a part of the RS package? I'd love to have that feature!

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