Z06 vs GT-R vs 911 Turbo -Road and Track - Page 2

Aries · 03-24-2008, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SilverTurtle

does stupidity run in your family or is it just you? I'm not going to defend myself to someone that has no idea what they're talking about... I gave props to the GT-R for the win and you chose to be a moron and single me out... so I'll just take it that you can't read and are ignorant and I'll leave it at that.

Quote "so, the Z06 is on run flats in the cold... is anyone really surprised that the GT-R was faster?' Whining about the tires.

Quote "I want to see an apples to apples comparison... " So running the both cars in the same conditions isn't a fair comparison huh?

Aries · 03-24-2008, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragoneye

*spits all over keyboard + screen* *coughing ensues*

Did I read that right?!?! You don't think the ZR-1 could beat, let alone sqash (like the bug it resembles) the GTR??

Well, I beg to differ. I differ Greatly!!!!

As for the rest of your post...Both cars are fast...but we're on a Camaro forum (you know, the closest relative to the Corvette?...not counting the XLR). I hardly think it's whining.

And no I don't think the ZR1 would have beat the GT-R in this comparison. Sorry, I could be wrong but I don't see the ZR1 making up over 5 seconds a lap.

I'm not here to bash vette's or chevy or anything. However when I see people making excuses for a loss and crying over it I have to say something.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 03-24-2008, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Aries

However when I see people making excuses for a loss and crying over it I have to say something.

hmm. No. You don't. You didn't HAVE to say anything. And though I respect your opinions, this would have been one of those occasions where you kept them to yourself.

And I'd request that this conversation end between you two. Civilly, I'd prefer - but you can just stop, too. I don't care. Keep it going and the thread gets closed till the two of you cool off.

SilverTurtle · 03-24-2008, 04:20 PM

per Dragoneye's request, this ends here... you want to talk to me, or see if you know more than I do, take it to PMs.

COPO_Chevy · 03-24-2008, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragoneye

*spits all over keyboard + screen* *coughing ensues*

Did I read that right?!?! You don't think the ZR-1 could beat, let alone sqash (like the bug it resembles) the GTR??

Well, I beg to differ. I differ Greatly!!!!

As for the rest of your post...Both cars are fast...but we're on a Camaro forum (you know, the closest relative to the Corvette?...not counting the XLR). I hardly think it's whining.

+1

*DGthe3* · 03-24-2008, 05:26 PM

Looking again at the lap times, it was 4.3 seconds (not 5) on a ~2 min lap. That works out to a differance of a little more than 3.5%. That is still significant, however to claim that a ZR-1 could not best it is rather hard to believe. The ZR-1 has better suspension and brakes than the Z06, as well as a power to weight ratio that has been improved by nearly 20% over the Z06. Compared to the GT-R, I think it will be able to handle nearly the same in the twisties and dominate on the exit of the turns because of the gargantuan amount of power that it has while weighing 500 lbs less. The Z06 already has better top end acceleration than the Nissan, the ZR-1 will be in a completely different league. However, the ZR-1 will also cost ~30k more than the Z06 and GT-R. And it wasn't in this comparison so all of this is kinda pointless.

Oh, and for those who want to talk about 'well the Corvette lost because it doesn't have this but the GT-R does' that argument is pretty pointless. You could argue that the Corvette would have won if it had turbos or all carbon fibre frame. Yes, but then its no longer a stock Z06, is it? The car that was compared is the car that you could buy off the dealer's lot. There's a saying that I like to use for people that use the excuse of "Well if only . . . " If only your dirtbike had four wheels then it would be a quad. I prefer the one referencing Aunts and Uncles. I had to stop myself though.

Kyle2k · 03-24-2008, 08:07 PM

If anyone read the wiki link I posted, do you think the community would be accepting of the way the GT-R has its AWD system set up. Please read the link before posting any comments! It is a few posts up. And instead of "breaking tradition" I think the Corvette should do something uniquely American. Take something that is good, and make it like eight times better...Improve on it and make the GT-R look like crap. Furthermore drivetrain loss on this new platform has been found to be only about 1% give or take more than standard RWD drivetrains loss.

ihc95 · 03-24-2008, 09:33 PM

Whats this got to do with anything?

Kyle2k · 03-24-2008, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ihc95

Whats this got to do with anything?

Why would you ever pose a question like that in the general discussion part of an AUTOMOTIVE forum. It has to do with cars? Maybe that could be why we are talking about it?

Now back to my question? Anyone please lol.... haha

*Mindz* · 03-24-2008, 10:43 PM

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"I'll take a normally aspirated engine over a turbo any day, at least when it's this good. The Z06's engine has crazy power all the time, at any rpm, in any gear. And the sounds...come on, it's an American V-8, need I say more? It's the kind of power you can truly call 'neck-snapping,'" Monticello said.

Hear Hear! I'm finishing up the article now...

EDIT:
Well it's about what I would have expected. The Z06 is built for the track which is normally kept spotless. The GT-R and Porsche Turbo are built for performance on everyday roads. The porsche has the best/most concfortable interior. The GT-R performed the best overall but has a very stiff suspension which apparantly is stiffer and less forgiving than the z06 while going over potholes/bumps.

Each car won in a seperate category, but the car which came closest to the top in all categories was the GT-R to these people. Who's to say MT or Winding Road won't have a different opinion. I would definitely opt for the Vette or GT-R from a price perspective, especially when both perform better according to these conditions. The porsche is more of a status thing in my eyes.

chevyforlife · 03-24-2008, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle2k

You don't have a clue what you're talking about. There is no boost lag for the GT-R full torque is reached by like 2800rpm. The main advantage is the DCT and a slight influence with the AWD, but you are blatantly wrong and biased with your "POS boost lag" comment.

ANY CAR WITH A TURBO CHARGER HAS BOOST LAG!!!
sounds like you dont kno wat your talkin about
and dont criticize my friend for having a different oppinion than you

Kyle2k · 03-25-2008, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by chevyforlife

ANY CAR WITH A TURBO CHARGER HAS BOOST LAG!!!
sounds like you dont kno wat your talkin about
and dont criticize my friend for having a different oppinion than you

It isnt a matter of opinion it is fact, especially if you notice how some turbo chargers can bring an engines torque curve down (or in lower rpm's). Unless your an idiot and strap a t04z turbo (which doesnt make boost till like 6000rpm's even on v8's) on you shouldn't have any lag. Btw don't complain to me for challenging your ignorant friend.

Also, I'm pretty sure he is capable of defending himself, or atleast trying to when it comes to the turbo lag issue.

*DGthe3* · 03-25-2008, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Mindz

Hear Hear! I'm finishing up the article now...

EDIT:
Well it's about what I would have expected. The Z06 is built for the track which is normally kept spotless. The GT-R and Porsche Turbo are built for performance on everyday roads. The porsche has the best/most concfortable interior. The GT-R performed the best overall but has a very stiff suspension which apparantly is stiffer and less forgiving than the z06 while going over potholes/bumps.

Each car won in a seperate category, but the car which came closest to the top in all categories was the GT-R to these people. Who's to say MT or Winding Road won't have a different opinion. I would definitely opt for the Vette or GT-R from a price perspective, especially when both perform better according to these conditions. The porsche is more of a status thing in my eyes.

Never thought I would hear that a car would have a less forgiving suspension than the Z06. And as for the price, I couldn't agree more.

*TAG UR IT* · 03-25-2008, 02:17 AM

ALL THIS BACK AND FORTH CRAP (THAT'S WHAT IT IS....CRAP) NEEDS TO STOP.

Really...I've never read so much bickering back and forth than over the past few days. This is NOT what we (Camaro5.com) are about.

You wanna state your opinion? Do it RESPECTFULLY. You don't agree? You may state so.......RESPECTFULLY. Discussion, folks...that's what we like. We don't like to read bashing and one-upping each other everywhere....for cryin' out loud.................

03-24-2008, 04:20 PM	#18
SilverTurtle Reality Check Specialist Drives: '02 Z28, 2012 45th SS Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: ATX Posts: 1,730	per Dragoneye's request, this ends here... you want to talk to me, or see if you know more than I do, take it to PMs. __________________ got tequila?

03-24-2008, 05:26 PM	#20
DGthe3 Moderator.ca Drives: 05 Grand Am GT Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Niagara, Canada Posts: 25,366	Looking again at the lap times, it was 4.3 seconds (not 5) on a ~2 min lap. That works out to a differance of a little more than 3.5%. That is still significant, however to claim that a ZR-1 could not best it is rather hard to believe. The ZR-1 has better suspension and brakes than the Z06, as well as a power to weight ratio that has been improved by nearly 20% over the Z06. Compared to the GT-R, I think it will be able to handle nearly the same in the twisties and dominate on the exit of the turns because of the gargantuan amount of power that it has while weighing 500 lbs less. The Z06 already has better top end acceleration than the Nissan, the ZR-1 will be in a completely different league. However, the ZR-1 will also cost ~30k more than the Z06 and GT-R. And it wasn't in this comparison so all of this is kinda pointless. Oh, and for those who want to talk about 'well the Corvette lost because it doesn't have this but the GT-R does' that argument is pretty pointless. You could argue that the Corvette would have won if it had turbos or all carbon fibre frame. Yes, but then its no longer a stock Z06, is it? The car that was compared is the car that you could buy off the dealer's lot. There's a saying that I like to use for people that use the excuse of "Well if only . . . " If only your dirtbike had four wheels then it would be a quad. I prefer the one referencing Aunts and Uncles. I had to stop myself though. __________________ Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them __________________ Originally Posted by FbodFather My sister's dentist's brother's cousin's housekeeper's dog-breeder's nephew sells coffee filters to the company that provides coffee to General Motors...... ........and HE WOULD KNOW!!!! __________________ Camaro Fest sub-forum

03-24-2008, 08:07 PM	#21
Kyle2k LVL 50 Troll Stomper Drives: 2010 Camaro Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 3,463	If anyone read the wiki link I posted, do you think the community would be accepting of the way the GT-R has its AWD system set up. Please read the link before posting any comments! It is a few posts up. And instead of "breaking tradition" I think the Corvette should do something uniquely American. Take something that is good, and make it like eight times better...Improve on it and make the GT-R look like crap. Furthermore drivetrain loss on this new platform has been found to be only about 1% give or take more than standard RWD drivetrains loss. __________________

03-24-2008, 09:33 PM	#22
ihc95 Drives: 2018 GT PP1 A10 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NJ Posts: 673	Whats this got to do with anything?

03-25-2008, 02:17 AM	#28
TAG UR IT www.Camaro5store.com Drives: 2014 ZL1 #705 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: SA, Texas Posts: 26,544 View My Garage	ALL THIS BACK AND FORTH CRAP (THAT'S WHAT IT IS....CRAP) NEEDS TO STOP. Really...I've never read so much bickering back and forth than over the past few days. This is NOT what we (Camaro5.com) are about. You wanna state your opinion? Do it RESPECTFULLY. You don't agree? You may state so.......RESPECTFULLY. Discussion, folks...that's what we like. We don't like to read bashing and one-upping each other everywhere....for cryin' out loud.................