Ferrari Driver vs Cop

[Russo]

guy shouldn't have tried to take off, hotel should pay the ticket.. end of story.. look at all those people standing around looking at your dumb ass laying in the street next to your $300k car... jackass

[ActNup NY]

Originally Posted by =Stephens=

Interesting how some people think they can do anything when they have a 100,000+ car.

9x out 10 when they act up like that it either ain't their car, or it's rented. Cause like I said before if you can true to by a hundred thousand dollar car like that. What's a measly 60-70 dollar parking ticket. I'm just saying though. Lol ! That was in the village in NYC.

He wasn't going far even if the cop didn't block his way. Cause down in that part is so congested to begin with. Always down around that area. Good for his dumba$$ . I'm one that don't condone the police violence but I'm just saying !!!! Lol !

[camarostar2010]

I will be real honest on this from all angles. The truth is this. I know because I know...lets leave it at that. An officer issuing a summons...CAN NOT EVER...unless a crime is being committed, stand in the way, block, or physically detain a driver. the only way you can be detained is if you are under arrest. Hence why the founding fathers made the constitution. He was illegally detained by that cop. Also the cop willfully placed his foot and body in front of the car. The driver tried to move around him. he never ran over the cops foot.. The cop was supposed issue the summons...what is called an n.o.v Notice of violation. and he was supposed to mail it to the owner of the vehicle. That's all he can do and was supposed to do. At which point the owner or driver can appear before the kangaroo court magistrate and make a plea. NOW....was it wise to approach the vehicle and try to leave, no. I would have just let the ticket be written and deal with it then...or in my case I could talk to him, and ask that he have some courtesy. Either way I would not approach the ofc. with any rebuke or anger. Why risk that confrontation for chump money. NOW ..the verdict. Speaking arbitrarily, the cop, one illegally detained a civilian by using his own body as a shield. Two illegally attacked the motorist by dragging him out the car and flipping him. The driver did not resist arrest nor committed any thing to even be arrested. three...created undo damage to the motorist veh and the cab near the veh by slamming the doors. Property damage isnt covered here. Four arresting now the civilian without any real assault committed or any other crime. Offcourse, the ofc will say he was attacked and the car was used a deadly weapon. Which the vid, easily can exonerate. Whether the guy is a rich watever, or ****y etc..is null an void. The offfcer must uphold the law and be the bigger man. Instead his ego got the best of him, and he used excessive force and illegal detention as a way out. Now all 3 ofc their will have to write fraudulent lies to corroborate the initial cops version...hence they all will lie before the judge to cover His, the initial cops, wrong doing. the blue wall...again. So now if and only if this vid is admitted as evidence can this senseless rich idiot be exonerated. So he loses ...because the lawyer fees and all that far exceed the ticket. BUT...BUT...with a good lawyer u can recover all the fee plus damages, and the p.o. might be out of a j.o.b. ..time will tell

[ardailsmith]

Originally Posted by mgaspari

i think that cop kinda asked for it.. he stepped in front of the car, saw the guy was going to drive, so why would you continue to stay there and put your foot under the wheel? you have his license plate so its not like you couldnt do anythign baout it if he drove off?

What...... how do you come to this conclusion. using your logic, It would be OK for a bank robber to shoot a cop as long as the cop is between him and the exit.

The driver was way out of line had it been in L.A. he might of gotten a Rodney King beat down or Nor-Cal they might have just handcuffed him then shoot him in the back. This guy is lucky he's white because he was two shades from getting his ass kicked.

[Steve Dallas]

I'm going to ask officers here this:

If you were issuing a ticket, and the Hotel told you that car was parked in their valet spot LEGALLY, would you continue to write the ticket?

I think the driver thought it was all settled and done, because he had not committed a crime.

Why would the officer do what he did trying to block the car??? Sometimes, an officer needs to pay full attention to the situation and this was a case where he was being obstinate in trying to issue the ticket.

I defend many cop situations, but...this officer needs some time off to reflect on his escalation of something he did not need to escalate.

That being said, the Ferrari driver shouldn't have driven off...but that doesn't excuse this particular officer from being wrong.

[fz4k98]

It does not mattter the reason why he was standing by the vehicle the vehicle driver is supposed to use due care to make sure a pedestrian is not hit and not just in crosswalks. The officer was not out of line. If you choose to challenge authority pay the price.

[mgaspari]

Originally Posted by camarostar2010

I will be real honest on this from all angles. The truth is this. I know because I know...lets leave it at that. An officer issuing a summons...CAN NOT EVER...unless a crime is being committed, stand in the way, block, or physically detain a driver. the only way you can be detained is if you are under arrest. Hence why the founding fathers made the constitution. He was illegally detained by that cop. Also the cop willfully placed his foot and body in front of the car. The driver tried to move around him. he never ran over the cops foot.. The cop was supposed issue the summons...what is called an n.o.v Notice of violation. and he was supposed to mail it to the owner of the vehicle. That's all he can do and was supposed to do. At which point the owner or driver can appear before the kangaroo court magistrate and make a plea. NOW....was it wise to approach the vehicle and try to leave, no. I would have just let the ticket be written and deal with it then...or in my case I could talk to him, and ask that he have some courtesy. Either way I would not approach the ofc. with any rebuke or anger. Why risk that confrontation for chump money. NOW ..the verdict. Speaking arbitrarily, the cop, one illegally detained a civilian by using his own body as a shield. Two illegally attacked the motorist by dragging him out the car and flipping him. The driver did not resist arrest nor committed any thing to even be arrested. three...created undo damage to the motorist veh and the cab near the veh by slamming the doors. Property damage isnt covered here. Four arresting now the civilian without any real assault committed or any other crime. Offcourse, the ofc will say he was attacked and the car was used a deadly weapon. Which the vid, easily can exonerate. Whether the guy is a rich watever, or ****y etc..is null an void. The offfcer must uphold the law and be the bigger man. Instead his ego got the best of him, and he used excessive force and illegal detention as a way out. Now all 3 ofc their will have to write fraudulent lies to corroborate the initial cops version...hence they all will lie before the judge to cover His, the initial cops, wrong doing. the blue wall...again. So now if and only if this vid is admitted as evidence can this senseless rich idiot be exonerated. So he loses ...because the lawyer fees and all that far exceed the ticket. BUT...BUT...with a good lawyer u can recover all the fee plus damages, and the p.o. might be out of a j.o.b. ..time will tell

THIS!

Originally Posted by ardailsmith

What...... how do you come to this conclusion. using your logic, It would be OK for a bank robber to shoot a cop as long as the cop is between him and the exit.

The driver was way out of line had it been in L.A. he might of gotten a Rodney King beat down or Nor-Cal they might have just handcuffed him then shoot him in the back. This guy is lucky he's white because he was two shades from getting his ass kicked.

no clue what your talking about with a bank robber and cop lol to be brutally honest, i think what hes said ^^^ is what i was getting at.

[Storm T]

Of course they can detain you for a reasonable amount of time while writing a citation which is what he was doing. I dunno where you got your information on that.

[ardailsmith]

Originally Posted by camarostar2010

I will be real honest on this from all angles. The truth is this. I know because I know...lets leave it at that. An officer issuing a summons...CAN NOT EVER...unless a crime is being committed, stand in the way, block, or physically detain a driver. the only way you can be detained is if you are under arrest. Hence why the founding fathers made the constitution. He was illegally detained by that cop. Also the cop willfully placed his foot and body in front of the car. The driver tried to move around him. he never ran over the cops foot.. The cop was supposed issue the summons...what is called an n.o.v Notice of violation. and he was supposed to mail it to the owner of the vehicle. That's all he can do and was supposed to do. At which point the owner or driver can appear before the kangaroo court magistrate and make a plea. NOW....was it wise to approach the vehicle and try to leave, no. I would have just let the ticket be written and deal with it then...or in my case I could talk to him, and ask that he have some courtesy. Either way I would not approach the ofc. with any rebuke or anger. Why risk that confrontation for chump money. NOW ..the verdict. Speaking arbitrarily, the cop, one illegally detained a civilian by using his own body as a shield. Two illegally attacked the motorist by dragging him out the car and flipping him. The driver did not resist arrest nor committed any thing to even be arrested. three...created undo damage to the motorist veh and the cab near the veh by slamming the doors. Property damage isnt covered here. Four arresting now the civilian without any real assault committed or any other crime. Offcourse, the ofc will say he was attacked and the car was used a deadly weapon. Which the vid, easily can exonerate. Whether the guy is a rich watever, or ****y etc..is null an void. The offfcer must uphold the law and be the bigger man. Instead his ego got the best of him, and he used excessive force and illegal detention as a way out. Now all 3 ofc their will have to write fraudulent lies to corroborate the initial cops version...hence they all will lie before the judge to cover His, the initial cops, wrong doing. the blue wall...again. So now if and only if this vid is admitted as evidence can this senseless rich idiot be exonerated. So he loses ...because the lawyer fees and all that far exceed the ticket. BUT...BUT...with a good lawyer u can recover all the fee plus damages, and the p.o. might be out of a j.o.b. ..time will tell

You know how to suck the fun out of a party when it was just getting started.

In the long run your right about a lot of it but I cant agree with you on the outcome. I have seen to many times where the ruling runs counter to the evidence.

But I like how you covered it all. Good Job Sir.

[camarostar2010]

Originally Posted by Storm T

Of course they can detain you for a reasonable amount of time while writing a citation which is what he was doing. I dunno where you got your information on that.

I get it from the constitution which i swore to up old...and from my policy and procedures manual...not "the last 48" " breaking bad" or "chips"

[ardailsmith]

Originally Posted by mgaspari

THIS!


no clue what your talking about with a bank robber and cop lol to be brutally honest, i think what hes said ^^^ is what i was getting at.

you said it was OK to run over the cops foot because the cop stepped in front of the car.

[camarostar2010]

Originally Posted by ardailsmith

You know how to suck the fun out of a party when it was just getting started.

In the long run your right about a lot of it but I cant agree with you on the outcome. I have seen to many times where the ruling runs counter to the evidence.

But I like how you covered it all. Good Job Sir.

We all have opinions.....hence why there are several judges on the supreme court. Legal opinion vary. However...remember this..the law is "supposed" to protect and serve. Not the other way around. Unfortunately lawmen usually become abusive, arrogant, and some times criminal themselves. Their is a thin line between necessary force and ego tripping ass kicking. People need t0o wear their badges with pride and honor. Some how honor, and God fearing moral has been diminished drastically. The moral fabric of society as whole is very marred. Truthfully both them gentleman made errors in judgement. But at the end the law man is the man of law. He must serve and protect even if the other guy is distasteful. If the law man lets himself become a criminal..then he forfeits it all. Let remember that the constitution merely lists our God given rights. The rights are God given...congress can make no law to abridge or forfeit them...ever! We are all human and are prone to errors especially in heated situations. I can only hope we are wise enough to correct them.

[AGENT-006]

Originally Posted by ChrisBlair

Guys, if the policeman tells you to stop, you stop. If you don't like that, well OK, but you're supposed to stop. That's your choice to disobey on moral grounds or whatever, but you are supposed to stop when he says 'stop'. I believe you'll find that you're supposed to obey that order.

Also, I don't care if the policeman stepped in front of the car. The driver knew he was brushing up against the policeman. he knew it. You can't tell me he didn't. The driver made his choice, and that was to intimidate the cop with his car. That is assaulting a police officer, and if it were you or me, that would be assault on you or me. The driver can't bully pedestrians with his car if he feels like it. That's not OK.

If you think that the driver was treated roughly, the only thing I see wrong is the unprofessional manner of the policeman in cursing so loudly and then slamming his fist on the window. That reflects poorly on his department.

The ticket has nothing to do with the driver's actions starting with the order to stop the vehicle. I think people will see bully-boy cops picking on somebody. I see a man who threatened the wrong pedestrian with an automobile, which is actually a deadly weapon.

[AGENT-006]

Id like an officer to pipe in here and actually say what is or is not legal about the detainment. I dont see how he can not be detained for a reasonable amount of time..if an officer pulls u over to write you a citation for speeding..that does not mean you can casually leave and have him mail you the citation. that would make no sense. There fore i think if your vehicle is being cited for an offense and the officer asks you to stop then that is what should be done.