Tired of hearing 5.0 all over this Forum

[ss/rs-matt]

Originally Posted by GrabberB5.Slow

I may be biased but come on man, you gotta give the 5.0 props. Pretty sick when you can go 11.5x N/A with a Boss manifold, CAI, tune, and big and littles. Im not saying the camaros are slow by anymeans, but the engineering on our little 5.0s are pretty sick.

Your car is gorgeous bro...I love that blue and it looks great with the black wheels!

[cbass]

Originally Posted by Blue10CamaroSS

honestly, not really. 426 HP to 420 HP.

I'm impressed that they got 420 out of 5.0 while GM got 426 in 6.2. So HP to L ratio, they have 84 HP per liter while GM has 68.7 HP per liter.

Even with the Shelby compared to the ZL1. They got 650+ HP out of a supercharged 5.8L while GM got 580+ HP out of the supercharged 6.2L.

Is it really enough to brag that one is faster than the other, no. Because so far each car has its own strengths over the other and having the choice between the two, and add in the challenger, is what makes the American muscle car war so awesome!!!

I have a lot of respect for the new coyote motor and the technology put in it and the top end power it takes out of 5.0, but you see the advantage of the LS3's extra 1.2L throughout the power range.


More power through most of the rpm range with essentially the same peak hp output just at lower rpm. So 2 valves per cylinder vs 4 valves per cylinder. No VVT vs VVT. Essentially the same fuel economy from an extra 1.2L and the motor is slightly lighter than the coyote.



Pretty much identical results achieved by LG motorsports to have a different data point:



When it comes to motors I think the LS3 still takes it, but I think the mustang platform is better. It was built for the mustang instead of using a full size sedan platform.

[Bob Cosby]

An LS3 Mustang would probably run about the same as a 5.0 Mustang (talking acceleration). This is because while the LS3 has a better powerband...mainly in the mid-range...and probably makes a bit better average HP through each gear (which is what really matters), the higher rpm capability of the 5.0 allows more aggressive gearing and thus a bit more torque multiplication which evens things back up.

I do think the Mustang would be easier to drive fast with the LS3 (again, better mid-range power), and internal modifications (cam/heads) are easier and IMHO generally more beneficial than with the 5.0.

Back "in the day", I used to say that my 99 Cobra would have been damn near perfect if it had come with a live axle and an LS1....

[newmoon]

While the stock 5.0 is a pretty good performer and a very worthy competitor to the SS, what is amazing is how very little it takes in mods to get it to run great times. For comparison a tune, cai, and tires will put the 5.0 into the 11s without much effort. Meanwhile how many of the hundreds of cammed SSs on this forum have been able to dip into the 11s, not very many, including my past car. While I would always choose the SS over the 5.0 you can't argue the facts, if you want to go fast cheap the 5.0 is the ticket.

[ParisTNDude]

I've had 5 Mustangs the latest a 2008 Bullitt. What I think is truly shameful from Ford is that they really let Ford fans down from 2005 through 2010. They didn't give the Mustang an engine until there was competition from the 5th Gen Camaro. Special limited run editioons were an exception. If you wanted to beat the typical S197 Mustang, all you needed was a stout Chevy Cobalt....trust me, I know! The resale value of the older Stangs must be horendously low!

[justa25thTA]

Originally Posted by SSOOCH

All I know is that at our local drag strip a Friend of mine with a beefier CAM, headers, exhast, suspension and tuned SS built by JDP Motorsports gets absolutely smoked by My other Friends 2011 5.0 by a full second! The mustang only has aftermarket CAT back exhaust.

With that being said I'll take My Camaro over a Mustang. But the new 5.0 have my full respect!

one of your friends can't drive for sh*t

[cbass]

Originally Posted by newmoon

While the stock 5.0 is a pretty good performer and a very worthy competitor to the SS, what is amazing is how very little it takes in mods to get it to run great times. For comparison a tune, cai, and tires will put the 5.0 into the 11s without much effort. Meanwhile how many of the hundreds of cammed SSs on this forum have been able to dip into the 11s, not very many, including my past car. While I would always choose the SS over the 5.0 you can't argue the facts, if you want to go fast cheap the 5.0 is the ticket.

It does and I wonder what they do in that tune. Is the VVT cam timing finally shining through and being used properly on the tune? If they tune cam timing in there then I can understand why they run 11's without going into the motor as that would be the equivalent of camming a LS3.

[Bob Cosby]

Eh, no. You still can't change the lift nor the duration of the cams - you can only change when they open/close relative to the position of the piston and to each other.

[GrabberB5.Slow]

Originally Posted by ss/rs-matt

Your car is gorgeous bro...I love that blue and it looks great with the black wheels!

Thanks buddy! Yours aswell!

Originally Posted by newmoon

While the stock 5.0 is a pretty good performer and a very worthy competitor to the SS, what is amazing is how very little it takes in mods to get it to run great times. For comparison a tune, cai, and tires will put the 5.0 into the 11s without much effort. Meanwhile how many of the hundreds of cammed SSs on this forum have been able to dip into the 11s, not very many, including my past car. While I would always choose the SS over the 5.0 you can't argue the facts, if you want to go fast cheap the 5.0 is the ticket.

^^This is 100% correct.

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

I've had 5 Mustangs the latest a 2008 Bullitt. What I think is truly shameful from Ford is that they really let Ford fans down from 2005 through 2010. They didn't give the Mustang an engine until there was competition from the 5th Gen Camaro. Special limited run editioons were an exception. If you wanted to beat the typical S197 Mustang, all you needed was a stout Chevy Cobalt....trust me, I know! The resale value of the older Stangs must be horendously low!

I wouldn't say it was THAT bad, I mean the 3v 05-10 4.6 outperforms the previous gen 2v 99-04 4.6 with a pretty good margin. Not to mention it was the first muscle car of the group to bring back retro styling. I think they were primarialy focused on the complete redesign of exterior and interior since the primary competitor, the Camaro, wasn't making an appearance for those years to set the bar for performance.

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by StangKiller-SS

I don't pay it any mind. 5.0 is a fan boy engine. Nothing as special as people try to make it to be. Only took Ford 10 years to better the tired 4.6 they used between 2001-2010.

That 4.6 in a certain 03 Mustang will still give a ZL1 and a SS a run for their money.

[justa25thTA]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

That 4.6 in a certain 03 Mustang will still give a ZL1 and a SS a run for their money.

so that is the measuring stick? A heavily modified vs stock?

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by justa25thTA

so that is the measuring stick? A heavily modified vs stock?

not many people want to run into a heavily modified 03/04 Cobra.

I was talking in pure stock form.

[hightower]

The 5.0 is a damn good motor. Wish I had the $$$ to swap one into my '68 mustang.

[hightower]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

not many people want to run into a heavily modified 03/04 Cobra.

I was talking in pure stock form.

I wouldn't dare f*ck with an '03/'04 cobra. Even if I was in a ZL1.


Those things are insane. Which is exactly why I want to own one in the future.