The ultimate facepalm moment. Like...I don't have words.

[Rangore]

Did they remember to burn the body???????

[PT145SS]

I personally have no issue with someone doing whatever it is they like as long as it only affects them. If someone wants to partake in 420 in the privacy of their own home... so be it... It does not hurt me. As soon as they hit the streets while high and puts my family or me at risk, then there is an issue. Jefferson once said, It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.

If there are that many people that want to change the law, there is no need to wait for congress. Our forefathers thought that checks and balances were pretty important in keeping the FEDS control small and limited. As a result, the people have something called Jury Nullification. Not a lot of people are aware of this concept because a DA does not want you (Joe citizen) to know about it, and over time, procedural rules have forbidden Judges to include it in their jury instructions and forbid defense attorneys from talking about it. But none the less, we the people, as a part of checks and balances, can on a case by case basis say, that a defendant is guilty according the law, but we the jury refuse to convict because the law is just stupid and a waste of time and money.

It may not "change" a law but it can quickly take the teeth out of a law.

[kalimus]

Originally Posted by Xedes

Whatever! I read the initial reports and that's what was reported. Excuse me for not following up with it day by day, I have a life.

Yep. I read the news and try to stay educated. The absolute end all of discussion to prove I have no life If there is one thing EVERYONE should already know about the media, it's that they report before they get all the facts. That's how they get ratings. Plus... sometimes you can't have ALL the facts at the start. They had to wait for the medical examiner for example.

Originally Posted by Xedes

*sidenote...why is it that every forum has some anonymous wise ass that doesnt have the nads to put his location in his profile.

Because other people look at these forums besides just Camaro members? What does my location have to do with knowing a fact? I'm in California by the way. And I see you're in Indiana. Are we happy? And as you would have noticed, until your remarks, I have been completely reasonable with everyone else. So really, you're being the prick. I figured that I could put up a "funny" remark in response to weed smokers killing Ben and Jerry (you notice I said "sometimes"... part of the tee-hee-funny-ha-ha)... take a pill

Originally Posted by Hammer St. James

Okay. Just for shits & giggles I will hold a contest. The winner will receive a new bottle of NXT wax. Provide a coroners report that states the cause of death was THC overdose.

Tobacco kills. Alcohol kills. Both taxed and legal.

Cause of death was gunshot wounds. Tobacco doesn't alter your ability to do anything except cardio (and a full work day ). And as I've agreed with you before... I think alcohol is a very dangerous thing, and if it were illegal today, I would not support it being legalized. I drink very rarely, almost always at home, and never more than one beer when I go out for dinner. I'm well aware that past that, I might not completely realize I'm impaired. I wouldn't be happy not to be able to drink, but I'd live with it. We'd lose some tax dollars, but I bet DUI and all other alcohol-invoked crimes would drop. Of course that's kind of a moot point since we can't prove it.

[kalimus]

Originally Posted by Hammer St. James

Okay. Just for shits & giggles I will hold a contest. The winner will receive a new bottle of NXT wax. Provide a coroners report that states the cause of death was THC overdose.

Tobacco kills. Alcohol kills. Both taxed and legal.

Side note, this is the only thing I could find:

"The Miami-Dade County Medical Examiner said in a news release that the toxicology detected marijuana but it didn't find any other street drugs, alcohol or prescription drugs. Eugene also tested negative for adulterants commonly mixed with street drugs..... An outside forensic toxicology lab, which took a second look at the results, also confirmed the absence of bath salts, synthetic marijuana and LSD. "

Adam, I hadn't heard about anything else being in his system. Where did you hear that and do you have a link? I'd be curious to know. Because No... I don't honestly believe that weed is the only thing that would make him chew on somsone's face

[Vsolo]

Originally Posted by Xedes

Legalize it already....geez!!

That won't stop the stupidity.

[Hammer St. James]

Originally Posted by kalimus

Yep. I read the news and try to stay educated. The absolute end all of discussion to prove I have no life If there is one thing EVERYONE should already know about the media, it's that they report before they get all the facts. That's how they get ratings. Plus... sometimes you can't have ALL the facts at the start. They had to wait for the medical examiner for example.



Because other people look at these forums besides just Camaro members? What does my location have to do with knowing a fact? I'm in California by the way. And I see you're in Indiana. Are we happy? And as you would have noticed, until your remarks, I have been completely reasonable with everyone else. So really, you're being the prick. I figured that I could put up a "funny" remark in response to weed smokers killing Ben and Jerry (you notice I said "sometimes"... part of the tee-hee-funny-ha-ha)... take a pill



Cause of death was gunshot wounds. Tobacco doesn't alter your ability to do anything except cardio (and a full work day ). And as I've agreed with you before... I think alcohol is a very dangerous thing, and if it were illegal today, I would not support it being legalized. I drink very rarely, almost always at home, and never more than one beer when I go out for dinner. I'm well aware that past that, I might not completely realize I'm impaired. I wouldn't be happy not to be able to drink, but I'd live with it. We'd lose some tax dollars, but I bet DUI and all other alcohol-invoked crimes would drop. Of course that's kind of a moot point since we can't prove it.

I feel that we agree more than disagree. Anyways, I was actually referring to ANY death in that THC overdose was the causative agent. Sorry.

As to tobacco: indeed it kills. It's called cancer.

[CamaroSkooter]

Originally Posted by Xedes

Didn't know this information but you aren't honestly blaming the pot, are you? The guy had lost his house in a foreclosure and was going through a divorce. Neighbors reported that he was acting strange. He obviously had some sort of breakdown.

Since I'm responding from my iPhone I can't respond in depth like I would from my desktop. I will agree that pot does effect you differently than alcohol. It does effect you faster as well and like most things of this nature (alcohol included), if you abuse it, it will cause long term effects. My point is that it's not anything worse than alcohol or legal Rx drugs. Legalize it, tax it and benefit from the revenue.

A person can die if they consume a whole container of salt, too.

You're using a logical fallacy to try and argue why something should be legalized. Just because one thing is legal, doesn't mean it should be used as an example of why something else should be legal.

If you abuse anything, it can kill you, whether it's legal or not. That's not what's up for debate here

Originally Posted by Steve Dallas

From what I read about the Face eating guy...they didn't say he was high on marijuana...just that there were traces of it in his bloodstream. Meaning he could have used it a day or two before. He may not have even been on anything from what I understand.

I haven't seen the coroner's report, so I couldn't tell you, but I imagine it depends a lot on how it was worded.

If the report said there were only "trace" amounts of THC in his system, then he probably wasn't completely blazed.

But from what I've read in different news reports, the document must be worded in such a way to indicate that he was pretty well baked.

To be honest, I don't think smoking pot will make a normal person want to eat someone's face. I'm sure there were many other things going on with that guy mentally for him to do such a crazy thing. But it sounds like marijuana was the only thing they could find in his system.

So, draw from that whatever conclusion you want.

Originally Posted by Hammer St. James

Okay. Just for shits & giggles I will hold a contest. The winner will receive a new bottle of NXT wax. Provide a coroners report that states the cause of death was THC overdose.

Tobacco kills. Alcohol kills. Both taxed and legal.

From January 1, 1997 to June 30, 2005 there were no reported deaths due strictly in part to the consumption of Marijuana. However, there have been 4 reported deaths where the primary suspect of death was reported as Marinol. Marinol (Dronabinol) is a pure isomer of THC.

Marijuana is an "expensive" habit. I imagine the overwhelming majority of people who partake don't try to smoke 7 pounds of it in 2 hours to see just how blazed they can get.

That probably has a lot to do with why there are no reported deaths due primarily to marijuana use. But just like was mentioned earlier, anything can kill if done to excess, even THC. But the pot-heads just don't want to waste their precious plant like that.

[Godsplumber]

:bang desk: Freedom is the war cry of delusional americans that think were free. Skateboarding is not a crime.

[kalimus]

Originally Posted by Hammer St. James

I feel that we agree more than disagree. Anyways, I was actually referring to ANY death in that THC overdose was the causative agent. Sorry.

As to tobacco: indeed it kills. It's called cancer.

Yeah I think so too. And I agree tobacco kills. I'm just saying that it doesn't affect my ability to function in the same way alcohol and pot do. But I would be willing to bet that if people smoked pot like they smoked cigarettes, it would probably form cancer as well. You can smoke pure tobacco and it will still cause cancer, I doubt pot would be any different.

And as Skooter pointed out, too much of anything will kill you. A woman killed herself drinking water which made a chemical imbalance in her body. Alcohol poisoning... hell even too much sugar can cause diabetes, which definitely shortens your life expectancy. Or too much food at all.

To a point, smokers and obese people share a lot of the same risk factors. Mainly, heart disease. Think about how much of America is obese. They'd have a bigger health impact making fast food illegal.







BUT THEY BETTER NOT!!!!

[Hammer St. James]

Originally Posted by CamaroSkooter

A person can die if they consume a whole container of salt, too.

You're using a logical fallacy to try and argue why something should be legalized. Just because one thing is legal, doesn't mean it should be used as an example of why something else should be legal.

If you abuse anything, it can kill you, whether it's legal or not. That's not what's up for debate here



I haven't seen the coroner's report, so I couldn't tell you, but I imagine it depends a lot on how it was worded.

If the report said there were only "trace" amounts of THC in his system, then he probably wasn't completely blazed.

But from what I've read in different news reports, the document must be worded in such a way to indicate that he was pretty well baked.

To be honest, I don't think smoking pot will make a normal person want to eat someone's face. I'm sure there were many other things going on with that guy mentally for him to do such a crazy thing. But it sounds like marijuana was the only thing they could find in his system.

So, draw from that whatever conclusion you want.



From January 1, 1997 to June 30, 2005 there were no reported deaths due strictly in part to the consumption of Marijuana. However, there have been 4 reported deaths where the primary suspect of death was reported as Marinol. Marinol (Dronabinol) is a pure isomer of THC.

Marijuana is an "expensive" habit. I imagine the overwhelming majority of people who partake don't try to smoke 7 pounds of it in 2 hours to see just how blazed they can get.

That probably has a lot to do with why there are no reported deaths due primarily to marijuana use. But just like was mentioned earlier, anything can kill if done to excess, even THC. But the pot-heads just don't want to waste their precious plant like that.

I am compelled to insert a correction: Marinol is not a pure isomer of THC. In fact, it is synthetic. Created in a lab.. Nothing natural about it. So the deaths that are attributed to Marinol have absolutely no bearing on my contest.

[AdamZ]

This is probably the most intelligent bickering I have seen on this site since I've joined. It's nothing like my drag radials post. Those guys went at each other it was hilarious. Definitely enjoying this debate.

[Rangore]

Originally Posted by AdamZ

This is probably the most intelligent bickering I have seen on this site since I've joined. It's nothing like my drag radials post. Those guys went at each other it was hilarious. Definitely enjoying this debate.

I agree...the debate has kept me reading.

[CamaroSkooter]

Originally Posted by Hammer St. James

I am compelled to insert a correction: Marinol is not a pure isomer of THC. In fact, it is synthetic. Created in a lab.. Nothing natural about it. So the deaths that are attributed to Marinol have absolutely no bearing on my contest.

Right. I wasn't trying to win your contest. I was simply trying to illustrate that the chemical compound THC (tetrahydrocannabinol) can be toxic if the dosage is high enough, just like any other substance, whether naturally occuring or man-made.

You just don't tend to see pot-smokers dying from overdosing because to get to the toxicity level needed to kill a human, you would have to consume quantities that are not financially feasible for your typical pot-smoker.

The debate isn't whether marijuana itself kills, it's the stupid crap people do after smoking it that gets them killed.

Similar to the statement, "it's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden deceleration at the end that does."

[kalimus]

Originally Posted by AdamZ

This is probably the most intelligent bickering I have seen on this site since I've joined. It's nothing like my drag radials post. Those guys went at each other it was hilarious. Definitely enjoying this debate.

Way to kill the discussion Adam. Not nearly as fun if people think it's not thought out and considerate.