Just a voice of Reason

[Vash]

To the OP.

You got a lot of balls coming in here telling people what to say and do.

Why don't you just worry about your car and not other people?

It's a discussion forum. For you to also fabricate a lie and say someone made a bomb threat to a dealer is stupid.

No member said that or would say that.

Freedom of speech and the ablity to complain about a large corporation is a good thing.

If you want a place to kiss GM's ass this is probably not it.

[shockandawe]

If enough of the whiners cancel their order,I will get my Camaro much sooner!

[acehole]

Enjoy the rush people whens the last time anything or anyone evoked these kind of emotions in you...

[CWI]

Originally Posted by hiway61revisted

Thats quite an accusation, I read this forum all the time and have never run across threats like you describe, nor anyone blaming any one person

I don't remember the thread but someone did indeed make a comment that he should throw a malatav coctail through a vendors window, actually i do remember now, it was in a thread about the stainless header people thrashing Tag's car. It was said, check out the threads.

Originally Posted by manimsoblack

That made too much sense, the masses will ignore it.

Originally Posted by Vash

To the OP.

You got a lot of balls coming in here telling people what to say and do.

Why don't you just worry about your car and not other people?

It's a discussion forum. For you to also fabricate a lie and say someone made a bomb threat to a dealer is stupid.

No member said that or would say that.
Freedom of speech and the ablity to complain about a large corporation is a good thing.

If you want a place to kiss GM's ass this is probably not it.

See above

[manimsoblack]

Originally Posted by Vash

To the OP.

You got a lot of balls coming in here telling people what to say and do.

Why don't you just worry about your car and not other people?

It's a discussion forum. For you to also fabricate a lie and say someone made a bomb threat to a dealer is stupid.

No member said that or would say that.

Freedom of speech and the ability to complain about a large corporation is a good thing.

If you want a place to kiss GM's ass this is probably not it.

I and others have recommended C4, jokingly, but it was said.

But otherwise good point on the freedom of speech. The thing is that while people are free to criticize and complain it doesn't mean that they have to be jerks about it. It's nice to vent every now and again, but we're (mostly) adults and should behave as such.* There's complaining/criticizing and then there's being a nuisance.



*The way people think/act/say (basically pretend) adults should behave not the immature generally annoying way they sometimes do.

[kdoske]

You lost me at your first "but".

Sorry but my ADD will not allow me to read this. Look interesting though, lol.

[McGruff]

Sorry but my ADD will not allow me to read this. Look interesting though, lol.

Yeah, I didn't read the whole thing either, yawn.

But It sounds like the OP is whining about people whining? Who cares what people talk about? YOU can choose the topics you go into, let other people talk about what they want. Lot of wasted typing IMO, this topic won't change anybody's posting habits.

[JDBeck23]

Originally Posted by McGruff

Yeah, I didn't read the whole thing either, yawn.

But It sounds like the OP is whining about people whining? Who cares what people talk about? YOU can choose the topics you go into, let other people talk about what they want. Lot of wasted typing IMO, this topic won't change anybody's posting habits.

+1, nobody wants to hear your opinion... You're just as bad as the cry babies because you think everyone needs to hear your opinion so desperately, you cant help but post an enormous, and worthless thread that attempts to tell people what to do and think. Lay off the drugs buddy, this is a discussion forum, people will vent here.... it's better to vent here than to drive their car through some underhanded dealer's showroom floor.

Get over yourself. If you dont want to see people getting things off their chests... go somewhere else and spare us your inflated ego babble.

[songsj]

As far as pricing goes I think most people really got bent out of shape when some dealers took a buyers order with a signed purchase agreement, then tried to charge them more for the car when it arrived. I'm sorry, think what you want but in my opinion that is just total BS. Now if a dealer ordered an unsold car for their dealer stock and decided to take delivery and mark it up to whatever over MSRP that is their choice.
If someones is willing to pay for it let them. However trying to upcharge an already sold car because they think you will not go through the grief to enforce the purchase agreement is total BS and I hope GM revokes their franchise. They do not deserve to sell new cars!!!!

[Hylton]

Originally Posted by SummoneR

BUT! I think the majority of the people here have no problem with a small "mark up". Some do, even a dollar over, but most would probably agree with a little. (at least from what I have read)
ok to my point...
The problem comes when dealers are asking an insane amount over MSRP, to me that is 5-15 thousand over. 1-3 is reasonable to most, I probably wouldn't do it personally (with as litle mark up there is on the car) but I don't disagree with it. The other problem is when someone is quoted a price, or promised or told even this is what you will pay and then when they go to pick up the car they are hit with a huge mark up... that is wrong regardless of economics or capitalism or whatever you want to hide it behind.

I think the majority of members here readily accept that there are dealers who sell for more than MSRP. In fact, the whole point of having the dealer threads was to help steer people to the dealerships which sold at MSRP or less. Some members are willing to pay above MSRP and that's fine - as long as their eyes are wide open, no harm, no foul.

The alarming issue is when someone has gone into a dealership, made an agreement for MSRP and then when the car comes in, is told that it will cost them more because of "market conditions". Sure this is a legal practice but is it acceptable? Personally I don't think so and I would be surprised if someone at GM said they support this. The OP can call this issue a "panic-du-jour" all he wants but if creating threads about this practice has educated people who want to buy a new car then more power to Camaro5!

[dbotsfordtat]

Originally Posted by Vash

To the OP.

You got a lot of balls coming in here telling people what to say and do.

Why don't you just worry about your car and not other people?

It's a discussion forum. For you to also fabricate a lie and say someone made a bomb threat to a dealer is stupid.

No member said that or would say that.

Freedom of speech and the ablity to complain about a large corporation is a good thing.

If you want a place to kiss GM's ass this is probably not it.

+1

[classicrockr]

Originally Posted by davidj

I have to disagree with you on this item. I think a forum is exactly the place to vent. Not only do you get it off your chest but you also warn un expecting customers of a dealer that apparently is saying one thing (on the MSRP list) and doing another. This Forum is here for people to talk about their Camaro experience, good or bad.

I agree with your statement AS LONG AS a person has also pursued legal matters. If anyone has a contract stating MSRP, then the dealer raises the price, they should not expect a RESOLUTION to the issue by "venting" it here.

The resolution should be initiated in court. Now as far as just getting it off your chest, it's only human nature to plead your case & draw sympathy & that's why a lot of people come to this board.

[LadiesMan217]

I agree with everything you said except this:

"If you are purchasing a car from a dealership and you are #24 on the list but are still considered an R6P order...guess what...you are still #24 on the list and that dealer was only given a certain allotment that they are guaranteed to get. That dealership can not give a car that they have not yet received, and furthermore cannot push others out of line because you want yours now. R6P does not mean you get to go to the front of the line it just means you are an early order action and most of you know this already."

Nobody should be receiving vehicles that ordered prior to the R6P cutoff date before all of the R6P orders are completed. People that ordered in October (no matter WHAT place in line they are...or how many cars that dealer was allotted) should have their vehicles built before someone that ordered 2 weeks ago.

[nards444]

I agree with most of what you had to say, a lot of people are going insane in here, and create hype on things that dont exsist. I am thrilled as well and many others should be too, but in the end it just a car. BUt I what I do disagree with you on is the over MSRP pricing. If you had a deal with them then when you come to pick it up they want more, thats BS, there is no way to quantify this. Now I dont like it but if you go to the dealer and the over MSRP price is on the car and your dumb enough to pay it, then thats on you. I dont see the difference in asking more than MSRP for a car and price gouging on gas, its wrong and should be illegal. And these days i dont know who would want to pay more than msrp, that means you are paying more than something is worth. And in the long wrong dealers charging more than msrp will be hurt and create a bad name for themselves, and will one day find a closed sign on their front door.