GM Trademarks GNX & Grand National Names!

[Apex Motorsports]

Originally Posted by Truck Norris

It looks like a 2005 model, aren't those the same Pontiac G8 headlights that they have been using for years now?

They are old renderings that people are dragging up because they are excited. There is no real news here except that GM trademarked the names.

[PAUL SS]

Originally Posted by Apex Chase

They are old renderings that people are dragging up because they are excited. There is no real news here except that GM trademarked the names to use on a twin turbo LFX Buick.

That's what I thought!

[Taintedveins]

Those concepts are beautiful!

[Truck Norris]

Originally Posted by Taintedveins

Those concepts are beautiful!

8 years ago

[DGthe3]

I've always kinda thought that it would be neat to do a Grand National as a cousin to the Camaro. They'd be similar sizes, with similar powertrains (though obviously replace the V8 with a turbo6). That said, when I had the idea, I was thinking of the 5th gen but it could work with the new Alpha platform too I guess.

[Apex Motorsports]

Originally Posted by PAUL SS

That's what I thought!

Nice try.

[PAUL SS]

Originally Posted by Apex Chase

Nice try.

Just remember who said it first.

[AZCamaroFan]

i'm kind of thinking now that GM is successful again they're trying to go back to having too many models again.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

I think they already have the 3.0L turbo and rumors are GM is working on a 3.6L turbo as well. Maybe all these things are related.

[Ringo64]

Originally Posted by Christiancoach

Have you seen these renderings??
It was originally the Holden Coupe 60 concept which was rumored in 2008 when Holden Commodore came to the US as the G8. It never made it past concept. Saw these rendering pop up just a few days ago.

MAKE NAO GM! That is awesome!

[VADER SS L99]

I'm sorry but that car above does not say this is a "Grand National and I am American muscle". It is a great looking car but you can't put a legendary name on it like the Grand National. They did the same thing to the legendary GTO and looked what happened to it. I actually thought the 05+ GTO was a great looking car but it was nowhere deserving the GTO name. Same goes for the car above. If GM brings back the Grand National it better look the part the same way the 5th gen Camaro looked as if it deserved the name.

Also if they build the GN it better be offerd in 1 color, black. It better be 1 trans type, a stout automatic. It would also be a plus if they built a whole new motor for it in a 3.8 liter. I think a twin turbo DI DOHC 3.8 would be killer. If people want different colors and trans types bring back the T-type name or something.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

I'm sorry but that car above does not say this is a "Grand National and I am American muscle". It is a great looking car but you can't put a legendary name on it like the Grand National. They did the same thing to the legendary GTO and looked what happened to it. I actually thought the 05+ GTO was a great looking car but it was nowhere deserving the GTO name. Same goes for the car above. If GM brings back the Grand National it better look the part the same way the 5th gen Camaro looked as if it deserved the name.

Also if they build the GN it better be offerd in 1 color, black. It better be 1 trans type, a stout automatic. It would also be a plus if they built a whole new motor for it in a 3.8 liter. I think a twin turbo DI DOHC 3.8 would be killer. If people want different colors and trans types bring back the T-type name or something.

I agree with your comments regarding the renderings above, and I think the comparision to the GTO/Monaro deal a few years ago is spot on.

However, not all GNs of the 80s were black with a 3.8L turbo. The first ones were grey with a larger naturally aspirated 4.1L V6. I think there were some silver ones too. Then they moved on to black with the 3.8T's. Anyway, it is true that the GNX only came in black with that engine, and I would hope GM continues that legacy.

Anyway, if they make the Grand National/GNX a proper RWD car then something is going to have to be the base vehicle with plenty of options (including colour) so that they can sell more than 500/mo (and therefore, keep the total cost somewhat resonable). 25 years ago, they had the Regal to do that with, but now the Regal is happy being a FWD midsize sedan. So something needs to be the base car. I say make the Grand National that car. I'm not saying it should be watered down too much, but it would still have to be the starting point. A 300 hp V6 would be a good place to start & wouldn't infringe upon the legacy too much (especially since there were already naturally aspirated Grand Nationals anyway). Then have the all black, turbo6 GNX as low volume halo car.

Onto engines. I doubt they'd use a 3.8L engine. GM's current plan seems to stem around using one V6 (the LFX) for just about everything. So chances are, they'd use the current LFX (which seems designed to take a pair of turbos anyway). However, with that said ...

I see a lot of potential in GM having 2 different V6 displacements in their lineup in the not so distant future. Both based on the same architechture (unlike what they had in the 90s & 2000's). The small one would be say a 3.1L for 'light duty' tuned to roughly 275 hp and used in midsize luxury sedans, small crossovers, base engine for large sedans and so on. Then have a 3.8L with something like 350 hp on tap for performance cars, large sedans, trucks, SUV's, and large crossovers. I also see room for 2 different turbo-charged versions of this engine. You could have a 'low boost' version making around 400 hp as an alternative to Ford's eco-boast, then a high output version (say 500+ hp) for things like the GNX and ATS-V.

[VADER SS L99]

I forgot about the grey 4.1 but I still say the GN needs to be a black auto turbo v6 RWD. I say they make a T-type with whatever trans, motor, color they want to sell a high volume of cars. Maybe even a turbo 4cyl for the T-type which would get over 35mpg. I for one will never except a new GN with anything less than a turbo v6. My vote would be a T-type base model with 260-300hp then move to the mid level model which would be the GN with 400+ turbo V6 and then a top model GNX (think ZL1) which would be a high output turbo v6 with 500+hp. Both the GN and GNX only offered in black with a auto trans.

[tooslow]

Anybody catch this the other day:

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2012/06/...ational-names/