2013 Mustang GT500 MEGA THREAD - Page 164

DanSS24 · 05-31-2012, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

Why would oil squirters give any indication that cylinder wall thickness is too thin for more power? The decision to include squirters is more likely because of high piston speeds due to long stroke. The bore probably is about as wide as they'd want to make it, but that doesn't mean there isn't more power on the table.

Because it's an aluminum block without iron liners. Heat would be bad for a maxed out bored block. Ford is using a different type of liner in their blocks. LS engines use iron cylinder liners that can be bored out and replace with thicker liners, so an engine builder can bore it more than the factory specs. Oil squirters are used to help cool the liners because of the heat generated from thinner walls. It's all very technical...trying to put it in layman's terms.

DanSS24 · 05-31-2012, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by beefcake

i'm running piston squirters still in my 5.0

1 point lower compression than stock, .10 over and making 1003 rwhp

far from maxed out

the 5.8 will be the same

Impressive cars you got there.

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Originally Posted by eolson

You people are insane. Erik

Car nuts try to be.

beefcake · 05-31-2012, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanSS24

Impressive cars you got there.

Car nuts try to be.

thanks

i spent 10 hours delivering a 2013 gt500 to Lund on monday

cars are smooth right out of the gate.

El-Diablo · 05-31-2012, 10:15 PM

Man this new GT500 is blowing me away. Not much noise in this thread anymore I guess many are too busy chewing.

tt335ci03cobra · 05-31-2012, 10:28 PM

2013 gt500's are shit. They only go 196 at a da of 5700ft... Psh, my Tahoe does that.

Naught. Dr guys are about to be hitting 10's.

ubrimah · 05-31-2012, 10:37 PM

Hec_45th · 05-31-2012, 10:41 PM

same here.. the driver is the same that drove the ZL1 and Mustang 302 Boss Laguna Seca... He was a mustang guy until he drove the ZL1, you should check that video out

Nessal · 05-31-2012, 10:42 PM

Got to give it to Ford on this.

Hec_45th · 05-31-2012, 10:48 PM

at the end of the day they are EuroKillers.... the GT500 straightline speed and the ZL1 highspeed race tracks/courses and laps

Blueclyde · 05-31-2012, 10:53 PM

Why is anybody eating crow? Both cars are badass. In due time there will be a true comparison. Both cars have strengths and weaknesses. Have there been a lot of Camaro owners over on Mustang forums smack talking? I think a lot of the discussion in thisvthread has been good but there is also a lot of garbage.

Ultrakiller · 05-31-2012, 11:18 PM

The recording from the front camera of the ZL1 sounds more like a accelerating jet plane with the S/C whine.
And the presenter guy as right, and I add one more thing:

Truth is that Ford did not wake up since the pony car race started in the 60's, and Ford still focuses on making the Mustang run faster and faster, while the Camaro does both track and straight line equally good. Best way to compare it is to put the new 2013 Shelby Mustang on the Nurburgring track, and compare it with the ZL1 time. That is where the ultimate difference matters, and that's where the Camaro has the overall win.

lakersftbl69 · 05-31-2012, 11:34 PM

Good video

lakersftbl69 · 05-31-2012, 11:36 PM

When the zl1 did 202 was it slitely modded I don't remember?

evolve · 05-31-2012, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanSS24

Because it's an aluminum block without iron liners. Heat would be bad for a maxed out bored block. Ford is using a different type of liner in their blocks. LS engines use iron cylinder liners that can be bored out and replace with thicker liners, so an engine builder can bore it more than the factory specs. Oil squirters are used to help cool the liners because of the heat generated from thinner walls. It's all very technical...trying to put it in layman's terms.

No need. This is why:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_...ermal_spraying

I know, wikis aren't good sources, but it'll do for now.

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05-31-2012, 10:28 PM	#2287
tt335ci03cobra Drives: 03 cobra 5.3 4v fgt's+62's Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: USA Posts: 146	2013 gt500's are shit. They only go 196 at a da of 5700ft... Psh, my Tahoe does that. Naught. Dr guys are about to be hitting 10's. __________________ Silver 03 cobra coupe -Full mm/ftbr chassis, built irs/t56, 3.73s, trutrac -Braces, 6pt, flsc's, brembos, rotary forged sochi's -9.3/1 Livernois 5.3 modular, Diamond, Carrillo etc -FGT heads stage 3 PnP'd, MMR stage 3 turbo grinds -FR500c, custom split maf dual inlet, single blade etc -Comp 62/65 T4's 3xbb, oil/water cooled, blankets etc -CG Fab. ff headers, custom 3" hotside, Tial wastegates -Dual in/out 3" cold side, Tial bov's, Truboost, SCT, NGk -Custom 8qt oil, dual 405s return fuel with id2000's, etc

05-31-2012, 10:48 PM	#2291
Hec_45th Drives: 2012 Camaro 45th Anniversary 2LT RS Join Date: May 2012 Location: Miami, Fl Posts: 151 View My Garage	at the end of the day they are EuroKillers.... the GT500 straightline speed and the ZL1 highspeed race tracks/courses and laps __________________

05-31-2012, 11:34 PM	#2294
lakersftbl69 Drives: 2010 camaro ss Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: conway sc. Posts: 1,453 View My Garage	Good video __________________ ordered dec 15 2008 picked up on june 8 2009. upgrades kooks 1 7/8" LTH w/ deleted cats, corsa exhaust, hurst short throw shifter stage 3 comp cam, 3.91 gears ecs kit blower, meth injection, upgraded axles, drive shaft, McLeod rxt clutch, fully forged 416ci stroker all installed and dyno tuned by slowhawk performance in bridgewater ma.

05-31-2012, 11:36 PM	#2295
lakersftbl69 Drives: 2010 camaro ss Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: conway sc. Posts: 1,453 View My Garage	When the zl1 did 202 was it slitely modded I don't remember? __________________ ordered dec 15 2008 picked up on june 8 2009. upgrades kooks 1 7/8" LTH w/ deleted cats, corsa exhaust, hurst short throw shifter stage 3 comp cam, 3.91 gears ecs kit blower, meth injection, upgraded axles, drive shaft, McLeod rxt clutch, fully forged 416ci stroker all installed and dyno tuned by slowhawk performance in bridgewater ma.

05-31-2012, 10:15 PM	#2286
El-Diablo Drives: CTS-V Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Tri-State Posts: 84	Man this new GT500 is blowing me away. Not much noise in this thread anymore I guess many are too busy chewing.

05-31-2012, 10:42 PM	#2290
Nessal Drives: Exige, Miata, Ghia Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: CA, Bay Area Posts: 2,309	Got to give it to Ford on this.

05-31-2012, 10:53 PM	#2292
Blueclyde Drives: 2023 ZLE Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Detroit Posts: 1,717	Why is anybody eating crow? Both cars are badass. In due time there will be a true comparison. Both cars have strengths and weaknesses. Have there been a lot of Camaro owners over on Mustang forums smack talking? I think a lot of the discussion in thisvthread has been good but there is also a lot of garbage.

05-31-2012, 11:18 PM	#2293
Ultrakiller Poorfag. Drives: None, yet T_T Join Date: May 2012 Location: Al Ain, UAE Posts: 72	The recording from the front camera of the ZL1 sounds more like a accelerating jet plane with the S/C whine. And the presenter guy as right, and I add one more thing: Truth is that Ford did not wake up since the pony car race started in the 60's, and Ford still focuses on making the Mustang run faster and faster, while the Camaro does both track and straight line equally good. Best way to compare it is to put the new 2013 Shelby Mustang on the Nurburgring track, and compare it with the ZL1 time. That is where the ultimate difference matters, and that's where the Camaro has the overall win.