2013 Mustang GT500 MEGA THREAD

[Sweet Zness]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

It's insane to put a whole lot of value in the top speed number of a car, given you'd need a mile or two to reach it, yes I agree...

This thread is burning a hole in my network....

On the list of reasons why I would potentially buy a gt500 over a ZL1, the 200 mph top speed is dead last on the list.

[Sweet Zness]

Originally Posted by mlee

ZR1 and GT500 tight competition... LMAO..

and you hope the GT500 holds its value better, but you're upset about the ZR1 values... at least you're in the right thread..

(show me a 2 year old ZR1 for 75K...)

This wasn't too hard.

http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used-...sting=36345069

http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used-...sting=38321890

[J666]

Originally Posted by Sweet Zness

This wasn't too hard.

http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used-...sting=36345069

http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used-...sting=38321890

Pwned.

[mlee]

Originally Posted by Sweet Zness

This wasn't too hard.

http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used-...sting=36345069

http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used-...sting=38321890

LOL.. one out of two is isn't bad... a smoking deal can be had on any car and a one year car w/ a ton of miles...

Try ALL of them on Auto Trader... and you'll see 2 year old ZR1's aren't going for 75k all day long... upper 80's to low 90's is more like it
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...erivedpriceASC

[derklug]

The fact that a GT500 can hit 200mph is interesting, but I don't think I would have the sphinctor strengh to take a Mustang or a Camaro to those speeds. Which would be easier to clean, the Recaros or the suede?

[SRT8Tech]

Originally Posted by derklug

The fact that a GT500 can hit 200mph is interesting, but I don't think I would have the sphictor strengh to take a Mustang or a Camaro to those speeds. Which would be easier to clean, the Recaros or the suede?

Doing 200 in a stock body Fox Mustang coupe will clear your colon!!

[Long Carbine]

Originally Posted by ChuckD

Camaro5 has a reputation for intolerance. I've been warned twice for "petty comments".

That said, do you have an engineering degree?

I would think Dynojet would disagree with our assesment.

[Long Carbine]

Originally Posted by Bob Cosby

Please, go look up SAE Certified. The Ford GT was not - the GT500 is. As for Dyno's....holy cow....dude, they are a tuning tool, and when used for their primary purpose (tuning), the Mustang dyno is actually more useful than inertia dynos.

Finally....accurately calculating BHP off of RWHP is simply not possible. Way too many variables.

From what I have read the document for certification is very long and vey complex.

And you are wrong about your comments about chassis dynos from every point.

1.) It is a Mustang Dyno that is the most inaccurate because the operator has to enter in variables such as weight of the car. Then you have an eddy flow current motor trying to match an engine accelerating plus loss of power from inertia. Sorry, the numbers I see posted form Mustang dynos are pure BS, all over the map and some even bordering The Twight Light Zone.

2.) So, if an engineer is designing a machine to process a product and he has a requirement for X-amount of HP. He specs out a combustion engine or an electric motor and fits it to a gear box then he does not know what HP and torque is coming out of the gear box? Give me a break. The chassis dyno can be looked at as a machine processing a product.

3.) An inertia dyno has the Laws of Physics on it's side. Not some logical controller programmed by some dumbass simply trying to get a set of numers he thinks is accurate.

4.) This is from the Kenne Bell Tech forum on SVTPerformance written by Kenne Bell themselves. This test is an "Engine Dyno versus a Dynojet". All numbers remarkebly close to 15%.

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums...rip-tests.html

5.) An owner on SVTPerformance just posted the numbers for his 2013 at 614 rwhp SAE. Do you honestly believe that car only lost 48 HP thru the drive train? That is a 7% loss. Dang, Ford sure is good at building an efficient drive train and overcoming the Laws of Physics. Maybe it's that carbon fiber drive shaft. Yeah, that shaved 8% off the drive train loss. That means that DS would have to have removed about 50% of the weight from the drive train. Um, no.

6.) Drag testing will prove I am right.

7.) After owning a 2003 Cobra and laying claim to the first private dyno sheet posted on the net from a PRIVATE owner and putting up with all the liar allegations and that I swapped the pulley because I removed the pulley cover, well, I think the 2003 Cobra's reputation far exceeds all the DENIALS.

[Fenderaddict2]

Originally Posted by derklug

The fact that a GT500 can hit 200mph is interesting, but I don't think I would have the sphictor strengh to take a Mustang or a Camaro to those speeds. Which would be easier to clean, the Recaros or the suede?

Possibly the best post ever written here. Top speed and Ring times are simply marketing tools. They work and they do give a certain bragging right but IMHO if you haven't beaten 6:51 or 400 kph, really what is there to brag about?

[Blue Menace]

I was at the grocery store yesterday and I was picking out some apples. I found myself comparing apples to apples, looking for healthy, unbruised fruit. I was a bit surprised that I had to dig so much. Although I can't be certain these apples came from the same tree (problem not) or even the same orchard (maybe?), they still had many differences AND similarities. Although I didn't want any oranges at this particular time, I could have in fact compared my apples to those oranges, once again finding many similarities AND differences. I learned that I could conceivably compare any one thing to any other thing. It just depends on what qualities I choose to place on the compare/contrast list.

[Sweet Zness]

Originally Posted by mlee

LOL.. one out of two is isn't bad... a smoking deal can be had on any car and a one year car w/ a ton of miles...

Try ALL of them on Auto Trader... and you'll see 2 year old ZR1's aren't going for 75k all day long... upper 80's to low 90's is more like it
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...erivedpriceASC

Well realistically if you noticed the second car is listed at 79K, but had a real value of 75K. Im sure just about anyone would be able to talk that dealership down 4k on a 75k car.


Autotrader is part of Cox is part of Manhiem auto auctions. In other words Autotrader is designed to give people a crappy evaluation of their trade value and give more money to dealerships on their offers. I don't use autotrader for anything other than to find vehicles.

[Black GT]

Originally Posted by big hammer

11.8 @ 123 is about the slowest you can make a z06 run.

Couple months ago we a few of us were at the track playing with one of my buddies 2010 Z06 (converted for racing)automatic.
Between 4 of us NO ONE was able to get out of the 12's.

I believe torque managnent was killing us that night, when launching the car would take off and fall flat on it's face.

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by a_Username

Over on SVTPerformance, they are making the new GT500 out to be a ZR1 competitor. Apparently the Z06 isn't enough.

just like how the 5.0 was going to beat a c5 zo6


i'm going to go on record and say that there will never be a completely bone stock '13 gt500 run a 10.66, and c6 z06 will still take it from a roll.

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by Black GT

Couple months ago we a few of us were at the track playing with one of my buddies 2010 Z06 automatic.
Between 4 of us NO ONE was able to get out of the 12's.

I believe torque managnent was killing us that night, when launching the car would take off and fall flat on it's face.

hmmm.....

was it a convertible too?