2013 Mustang GT500 MEGA THREAD

[jlawrence613]

Originally Posted by theragtopguy

The Ford bodies go to the Shelby American plant in Las Vegas where they remove and replace lots of suspension stuff and modify and test the engines, tune them to the n'th degree.....the employees doing it are Shelby American employees....the cars are titled as Shelbys....so it's a little more than just using the name!!

I still prefer the ZL-1 though.

This is not true.

The standard GT500 comes from DEARBORN, MI.

The Shelby GTS, Shelby GT350, Shelby 1000, and Shelby Super Snake models go to Las Vegas as POST TITLE modifications to EXISTING Ford Mustang vehicles

[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by drobbins2

Ok "Jimmy Dean", lol. I don't really care and not here to argue. I complimented both vehicles. I didn't look up the price of the zl1 with gg tax. Even at 56 its still incredible value for the money. Are you saying its not?? lol...

And I guess if you want a half-assed 500 you can only drive straight for short periods of time when pushing the limits, leave out the performance and track package...

and still you didn't learn. Keep reading and soon, you will sound like you know what you are talking about.

[JimmyDeanSausage]

Originally Posted by theragtopguy

The Ford bodies go to the Shelby American plant in Las Vegas where they remove and replace lots of suspension stuff and modify and test the engines, tune them to the n'th degree.....the employees doing it are Shelby American employees....the cars are titled as Shelbys....so it's a little more than just using the name!!

I still prefer the ZL-1 though.

No. GT500s don't go anywhere near Las Vegas, they're built on the same line as every other mustang, are shipped directly to the dealer from there, and are titled as Fords.

[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by theragtopguy

The Ford bodies go to the Shelby American plant in Las Vegas where they remove and replace lots of suspension stuff and modify and test the engines, tune them to the n'th degree.....the employees doing it are Shelby American employees....the cars are titled as Shelbys....so it's a little more than just using the name!!

I still prefer the ZL-1 though.

Your post sir is full of fail. You obviously have no clue what you are talking about.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by jlawrence613

This is not true.

The standard GT500 comes from DEARBORN, MI.

The Shelby GTS, Shelby GT350, Shelby 1000, and Shelby Super Snake models go to Las Vegas as POST TITLE modifications to EXISTING Ford Mustang vehicles

They haven't been built in Dearborn since '04

[Stew]

Originally Posted by theragtopguy

The Ford bodies go to the Shelby American plant in Las Vegas where they remove and replace lots of suspension stuff and modify and test the engines, tune them to the n'th degree.....the employees doing it are Shelby American employees....the cars are titled as Shelbys....so it's a little more than just using the name!!

I still prefer the ZL-1 though.

Are you sure you are not thinking of the GT350?

[jlawrence613]

Originally Posted by motorhead

They haven't been built in Dearborn since '04

Yeah sorry, I was thinking of the Headquarters. Still no where near Las Vegas.

[FNBADAZ06]

Originally Posted by jlawrence613

Georgia weather is hot and humid this time of year and I believe thats where these runs took place. I'm guessing the GT500 would trap higher in cooler weather?

I would suspect it would trap higher in cooler temps.
The weather report for the day they ran all these test was 70 degrees, 54% humidity, with a dew point of 55 degrees....certainly not a hot and humid summer day by any means. DA was 2000 or below...depending on the time they ran their test.

FYI...the day I trapped 129.72 the DA was hovering around 900 ASL.
As long as air temps are below 86 degrees, and I can keep my IAT's at ambient and ECT's below 210, I trap 127's religously

That's on a stock tune with 2000-3000 DA.

[DBS]

Originally Posted by Stew

nope, Ford, Shelby had nothing to do with the development or building the GT500, they only pay to use the name......

To those saying shelby had nothing to do with the development of this car here ya go. You people don't know what your talking about as usual.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=WmmZMxY1rXY

And to those saying a zo6 traps at above 125 here ya go



M/Ts test of a 2011 zo6/z07 shows it slower than its test of the shelby. Obviously though there are many z06s that have gone faster than 11.8 but we don't know yet what the shelby is really capable of until people with lots of seat time drive them.

Lets face it, this car is in z06/z07 territory now. The only cheap competitors of this car is the zr1 and GTR.

Though I really like the zr1

[69NMYSS]

Now before you go closing this thread, I own ZL1 (#52) and am very happy with the performance given the price. I will not be selling my ZL1, and will drive it proudly and am still excited every time I step in the driver’s seat. But with the recent release of the GT500 performance, I must say, the ZL1 has been bitch slapped right across the face. I expected the new GT500 to beat it in the quarter; however, I did not expect mags to be getting an 11.5 quarter with over 125 MPH traps. Furthermore, the GT500 seems to have outperformed the ZL1 in EVERY category which is something I definitely did not expect. Braking, skip pad, weight, gas milage, even the LC feature seems to one up the ZL1. Yes I realize the fully optioned/tested GT500 is $64k vs. the comparable equipped ZL1 at $55k, but damn, I wish we still had something to hold onto to. I wish GM would offer a factory performance upgrade that still keeps warranty intact. Maybe a pulley swap and tune at the least? While I still agree the GT500 is nowhere near as stylish as the ZL1 (still subjective, although sales pretty much show the general public prefers the looks of the Camaro over the Mustang), it is NOT on the same level in terms of performance. Given that I own a ZL1 I wish it was, but the truth is, it’s not.
Mods – Before you close this post, realize this is coming from a ZL1 owner who cannot stand the looks of a Mustang, but can certainly respect what the have done in terms of answering GM’s ZL1.

[drobbins2]

you might as well explain what you seem to think i dont understand

[NoWRX]

Originally Posted by oortcloud

Why is it silly? People on this thread are saying the shelby is faster that the zl1 on the road track, but there's no proof. To me THAT is silly.

I don't think anyone said the Shelby was faster on a track, at least they shouldn't have. Some did say that a few of the Camaro fans here will be surprised by the Shelby on the track, and I tend to agree with that.

I'm not saying the Shelby is going to be faster, however I don't think it's going to be the slug that some here seem to think it will be either.

At least we have some actual times for the zl1. But only if I understood more about road racing, I would realize how irrelevant these times are. I must be an expert to understand what's really going on. My father was an amateur racer in europe for a few years. Does this make me an expert? No, but I'm not a complete newbie either.

Exactly, which makes this conversation a non-starter at this point. Why talk about 'ring times when there are no published Shelby 'ring times to use for comparison?

Tell me, are you a professional race car driver? Do you spend a lot of time driving on the 'ring? Otherwise, I don't much see the relevance here. 'ring times are cutesy marketing fodder and that's about the extent of it. Personally, I think it's rather absurd to purchase a car based solely on its 'ring time, but to each their own.

They do things like play video games to learn the track. Or their use their own drivers. Like it's cheating or something. Who cares? Can't ford do the same thing?

You're missing the point. It seems GM went to the 'ring with the established goal of running times worthy of bragging about using any means necessary. Ford went there to develop and test the GT500, that's the difference. Two very different goals.

I'm waiting for some road track numbers from the shelby. Even though they will be totally irrelevant according to the experts here. Until then the only facts I have to go by are the ZL1's posted times.

You're beating a dead horse here. There's no point in having this discussion until someone takes them to the 'ring, or any other track for that matter, and compares them back to back. If you want to declare the ZL1 the end all be all of the track, despite the fact that we don't have a time for the Shelby, despite the fact that you yourself will never drive a ZL1 on the 'ring or be able to exploit one to it's full potential, and despite the fact that you're not a professional race car driver - then by all means, have at it.

To me, that sounds foolish, to put it politely.

[jlawrence613]

Originally Posted by FNBADAZ06

I would suspect it would trap higher in cooler temps.
The weather report for the day they ran all these test was 70 degrees, 54% humidity, with a dew point of 55 degrees....certainly not a hot and humid summer day by any means. DA was 2000 or below...depending on the time they ran their test.

FYI...the day I trapped 129.72 the DA was hovering around 900 ASL.
As long as air temps are below 86 degrees, and I can keep my IAT's at ambient and ECT's below 210, I trap 127's religously

That's on a stock tune with 2000-3000 DA.

I'm still figuring out how DA works, but wouldnt you think ~2000 DA in a near sea-level track is bad?

[GoldenBear]

Mods,

Don't close the thread, please just move it to its appropriate forum, Chevy Camaro vs ... forum.

Thanks