2013 Mustang GT500 MEGA THREAD

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Excellent photographs of the 2013 GT500's!! Thanks for posting them up.

[NoWRX]

Originally Posted by oortcloud

Posting fantastic times at VIR and the 'ring are pointless? Not sure if I agree with those arguments. Lot of people here saying the shelby will dominate the zl1 on the track, but as of yet it's just talk. Let's see someone post a 'pointless' time better than the zl1.

So in other words, you're a professional driver and your ZL1 is going to live on the 'ring, right?

Otherwise, that's why we're questioning the relevance of quoting 'ring times as if they're the gospel truth.

[DJ Red Barron]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

Get over it man. It was this forum and Al O. and some
regular Joe (not Joe the mod)who seems to be idolized by a lot of people here who were doing all the crowing and chest pounding. Some of us tried to share knowledge but were told misinformation was just fine. OMG OMG, ZL1 with CTS-V engine is going to destroy the GT500. OMG wait! It's 580hp, it is going to bitch slap the GT500! Holy chit, no way the GT500
can match the ZL1 with its stick axle and lousy suspension that can't put power to the ground. Blah blah f'n blah. Give credit where credit is due and stop all the excuses. I just don't understand the bitching. If you're a true Camaro enthusiast, who cares if a Honda is faster? I like both GT500 and ZL1 but they are both inferior to a lot of other cars. I don't give a crap.

Nicely said, sir.

[BigHemiSrt]

Originally Posted by oortcloud

Posting fantastic times at VIR and the 'ring are pointless? Not sure if I agree with those arguments. Lot of people here saying the shelby will dominate the zl1 on the track, but as of yet it's just talk. Let's see someone post a 'pointless' time better than the zl1.

Or are you gonna race your zl1 at ANY road course?? Put the wear and tear on the car. Change the brakes and tires every other race. Risk wrecking your car into the many other cars on the track...

99% of ZL1's will never be raced on a road course.

I bet 25% or more of all ZL1's will see a drag strip at some point in its life.

I bet 75% or more of ZL1's will race another car in a straight line at some point in its life.

The track that matters has already been tested for both cars and the Shelby is the clear winner. But anyone with a LITTLE common sense has known that for months now.

[GMRULZ]

Originally Posted by MauriSSio

mph shows how brutally fast the car is. The et just shows how well you were able to handleit in relation to mph. You can run a quicker time occasionally with the slower car, but that will never make it faster. That mph translates to power and acceleration even in everyday driving, especially on the freeway. If you take 2 cars and one traps almost 10mph slower than the other, its going to feel quite underwhelming by comparison and you dont need the scrutiny of a track or stopwatch to tell the difference.

ET shows who won the race. Who was FASTER. MPH has nothing to do with who wins the race. C`mon son. Sure mph shows horsepower, I guess you prefer to compare dyno numbers to who won a race, thats fine if that your thing, I prefer to be the first one to the end of the 1320.

[GMRULZ]

Originally Posted by BigHemiSrt

I totally agree with everything you said except the part of ZL1's running 11.9's all day. Its only been a claim from GM so far. Other than that the car is a mid 12sec car all day.

Thanx for the props man!! I think its a respectable time for the car considering the weight and mods or lack there of.

If thats your car in your avatar that thing is leaving HARD!

Do we have any times of auto ZL1`s from forum members? I haven`t seen any, I guess I will have to go back and look. A buddy of mine ran 11.98 in his stock CTS-V coupe last winter, I would expect an auto ZL1 to at least do as well, I mean hell my flywheel hp is only around 670 w/ a 20% driveline loss from 536rwhp and the ZL1 is 580flywheel, diff is 90 flywheel horse, and I`m running 10.8`s thats about 110rwhp at the tire to go from 10.8 to 11.9. If it doesn`t run 11.9`s to 12.1`s all day long in the auto then there is something wrong w/ that car, or GM is over rating them or hell maybe they have one hell a torque management in it. All I`m saying is with that much power it should run those times w/ the automatic car. If it doesn`t then its sad and I for one would never even think about buying one.

Thats my old car in the sif 96 TA ported heads & cam, stock bottom end LT1 w/ a 4k stall, ran consistent 11.4`s@119 w/ high 1.4 60`s on motor. It was violent on the launch. Only 403rwhp.

My Camaro doesn`t leave as hard but runs faster. I still have the stock stall in the Camaro.

[BigHemiSrt]

Originally Posted by GMRULZ

Do we have any times of auto ZL1`s from forum members? I haven`t seen any, I guess I will have to go back and look. A buddy of mine ran 11.98 in his stock CTS-V coupe last winter, I would expect an auto ZL1 to at least do as well, I mean hell my flywheel hp is only around 670 w/ a 20% driveline loss from 536rwhp and the ZL1 is 580flywheel, diff is 90 flywheel horse, and I`m running 10.8`s thats about 110rwhp at the tire to go from 10.8 to 11.9. If it doesn`t run 11.9`s to 12.1`s all day long in the auto then there is something wrong w/ that car, or GM is over rating them or hell maybe they have one hell a torque management in it. All I`m saying is with that much power it should run those times w/ the automatic car. If it doesn`t then its sad and I for one would never even think about buying one.

Thats my old car in the sif 96 TA ported heads & cam, stock bottom end LT1 w/ a 4k stall, ran consistent 11.4`s@119 w/ high 1.4 60`s on motor. It was violent on the launch. Only 403rwhp.

My Camaro doesn`t leave as hard but runs faster. I still have the stock stall in the Camaro.

Thats the thing, i thing theyre several reports from the members autos onlt running mid 12's. Thats why there a bunch of talk about the car underperforming cause like u said with that hp and tq it SHOULD run faster but its not. My educated guess would be a ton of tq management.

Who said LT1's cant run?!! Those things are tq monsters!! And those time are right on par with h/c ls1 f bodies. Bad ass!

[Bob Cosby]

Originally Posted by GMRULZ

ET shows who won the race. Who was FASTER.....

Eh, quicker....

Thats my old car in the sif 96 TA ported heads & cam, stock bottom end LT1 w/ a 4k stall, ran consistent 11.4`s@119 w/ high 1.4 60`s on motor. It was violent on the launch. Only 403rwhp

Eh, I went 11.4s @ 116 with 1.60 60's on motor. Stick car on DRs. Only 355 RWHP. What's your point?

You know I'm just busting your chops dude...lighten things up a little. How are things going back in the Hampton Roads area?

[MauriSSio]

Originally Posted by GMRULZ

ET shows who won the race. Who was FASTER. MPH has nothing to do with who wins the race. C`mon son. Sure mph shows horsepower, I guess you prefer to compare dyno numbers to who won a race, thats fine if that your thing, I prefer to be the first one to the end of the 1320.

ET shows how QUICK a car went from one end to the other. MPH shows how FAST the car went. its not that hard, i hope i dumbed it down enough for you to understand this time.

[oortcloud]

Seems like some of you guys get a little defensive when road track talk comes up. You start talking about how irrelevant road track times are. Or that I could not possibly use the full potential of my car. What am I supposed to do, choose a car that I feel is inferior because I will never use its full potential anyway?

No, of course I'm not a professional driver. But I will be taking it to the track a few times a year. My goal is to have fun. I'm not going to be setting any world records. But I'm going to choose what I feel is the best all around car for a road track.

[Overflow]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

Yes they have, see post 317

You're right. My mistake.

[BigHemiSrt]

Originally Posted by oortcloud

Seems like some of you guys get a little defensive when road track talk comes up. You start talking about how irrelevant road track times are. Or that I could not possibly use the full potential of my car. What am I supposed to do, choose a car that I feel is inferior because I will never use its full potential anyway?

No, of course I'm not a professional driver. But I will be taking it to the track a few times a year. My goal is to have fun. I'm not going to be setting any world records. But I'm going to choose what I feel is the best all around car for a road track.

Stop being so silly. Lol

[Sweet Zness]

Originally Posted by BigHemiSrt

Thats the thing, i thing theyre several reports from the members autos onlt running mid 12's. Thats why there a bunch of talk about the car underperforming cause like u said with that hp and tq it SHOULD run faster but its not. My educated guess would be a ton of tq management.

Who said LT1's cant run?!! Those things are tq monsters!! And those time are right on par with h/c ls1 f bodies. Bad ass!

Thats the thing. How is it there isn't one video out there (not named GM with DR's) of the Z running a strip at 11's? Not one video of it on a track racing another car. Hell even a stop light to stop light run against a 11 or 12 GT500 on youtube (not that I condone that). Makes you pause and think don't it.

[MauriSSio]

Originally Posted by GMRULZ

Do we have any times of auto ZL1`s from forum members? I haven`t seen any, I guess I will have to go back and look. A buddy of mine ran 11.98 in his stock CTS-V coupe last winter, I would expect an auto ZL1 to at least do as well, I mean hell my flywheel hp is only around 670 w/ a 20% driveline loss from 536rwhp and the ZL1 is 580flywheel, diff is 90 flywheel horse, and I`m running 10.8`s thats about 110rwhp at the tire to go from 10.8 to 11.9. If it doesn`t run 11.9`s to 12.1`s all day long in the auto then there is something wrong w/ that car, or GM is over rating them or hell maybe they have one hell a torque management in it. All I`m saying is with that much power it should run those times w/ the automatic car. If it doesn`t then its sad and I for one would never even think about buying one.

Thats my old car in the sif 96 TA ported heads & cam, stock bottom end LT1 w/ a 4k stall, ran consistent 11.4`s@119 w/ high 1.4 60`s on motor. It was violent on the launch. Only 403rwhp.

My Camaro doesn`t leave as hard but runs faster. I still have the stock stall in the Camaro.

a zl1 auto surely weighs more than your car, what do they weigh? 4200lbs?? on top of that your car makes roughly 80rwhp more (and im sure the stock ZL1 has a more conservative tune/weaker powerband under the curve/tqmanagement) and even then your 10.8 isnt on stock tires and its easy to see why the ZL1 auto is running mid 12's at 115-116mph. One of them is BOUND to hit an 11.9 but add "all day long" to it would be a laughable exageration at best.