2013 Mustang GT500 MEGA THREAD - Page 32

strych9 · 05-17-2012, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbass

I say you rent the mustang and spend some time with it along with your camaro and then make up your mind. If you still like the mustang better, then you should buy the mustang. More so if you happen to keep cars for a long time. Do you really want to be stuck with a car for 10 years or more that you aren't completely happy with?

Your advice is solid. I may consider that.

But, I don't keep cars long. I usually trade at least every three years, if not sooner. I've come out roses every time. Still pondering...

LOWDOWN · 05-17-2012, 07:43 PM

Au pair, by any other name, is still a nanny...

2013 Shelby GT500 Launch Control Ensures Smooth Starts Regardless of Surface Condition

• 2013 Ford Shelby GT500 is the first to be equipped from the factory with launch control

• SVT engineers have given Shelby GT500 drivers the ability to fine-tune the launch control settings, spinning wheels for consistent, maximum acceleration

DEARBORN, Mich., May 17, 2012 – Paraphrasing a classic quote – "With great power comes the need for great control" – the engineers at Ford's Special Vehicles Team have stepped up to the plate to manage the massive output of the 2013 Shelby GT500.

Whether a driver is a track-day veteran or getting his first ultra-high-performance sports car, the new launch control system on the 2013 Ford Shelby GT500 will help ensure he gets smooth, consistent and fast starts every time.

Uncontrolled wheel spin is generally undesirable, whether commuting to work or racing away from the Christmas tree on a Friday night at the drag strip. Both safety and performance suffer when the wheels can't get enough grip on the road. However, properly regulated, some wheel slip can be your friend.

"Launch control is essentially a special mode of the traction control system that integrates the brake and engine management systems to keep the tires balanced on the peak of the mu-slip curve in order to achieve maximum thrust," explains John Pfeiffer, senior engineer, SVT Vehicle Engineering. "With so much more power and torque on tap from the new 5.8-liter V8, launch control makes it easier for drivers to take advantage of the performance."

With launch control enabled, the driver just has to press the accelerator pedal to the floor and then smoothly and quickly release the clutch pedal just as he normally would when executing a clean start. The difference is that the electronics will automatically hold the engine steady at the desired speed and manage the rear brakes to allow the optimum amount of wheel slip for maximum traction.

"We recognize not every driver has the same style, and surface, tire and climate conditions vary," said Eddie Khan, SVT Engineering supervisor. "Most of our competitors' launch control systems have a fixed engine launch speed. We've given Shelby GT500 drivers the ability to adjust the engine speed to achieve best and most consistent performance, no matter where and when they drive."

Shelby GT500 drivers can enable launch control in two ways – either through Track Apps™ on the 4.2-inch LCD in the instrument cluster or simply by tapping a switch on the left side of the instrument panel. When using the Track Apps screen, drivers can also adjust the desired engine speed for the launch in 100 rpm increments from 3,000 to 4,500 rpm. When first getting accustomed to launch control or if the pavement is cooler, a lower speed may be more appropriate. Switching to racing tires or running in an autocross event on a warm Saturday morning may call for a launch speed closer to the upper end of the range.

Once the desired engine speed has been set, launch control can be toggled on or off by tapping the instrument panel switch – more convenient than the intricate multistep process required on many other vehicles. After the launch control has been enabled or disabled, it retains that mode even after the engine has been switched off and restarted, something drag racers frequently have to do as they slowly make their way through the lines to the next quarter-mile pass.

"We developed this system to enable 90 percent of drivers to be able to achieve very fast, smooth and consistent starts with the Shelby GT500 regardless of their skill level," said Khan. "Experienced drag racers may be able to get away slightly quicker, but chances are they won't be as consistent."

Veteran drag racers will find the Shelby GT500 also gives them extra flexibility. Switching off the traction control while the launch control is on produces an rpm-only mode that engine calibration engineer Tom Siebyla has tuned to keep the engine speed rock-steady with the electronic throttle and ignition without scrubbing off any speed with the brakes. Autocrossers or track-day racers can also mix and match the normal, sport and off modes of the stability control with the launch control to achieve the degree of sliding or control that best suits the conditions or their personal driving style.

For those times when there isn't enough grip to use launch control effectively, such as dust or moisture on the pavement, Ford electronic brake control development engineer Dan Dunn has built smarts into the launch control that enable it to automatically switch off and revert to traction control.

"It's not as intrusive as some TC systems have been in the past," added Khan. "We wanted to help the driver make consistent starts without getting in the way."

Launch control won't do the driving, but it is a tool to help drivers extract consistent high performance from the most powerful production Mustang ever.

"For drivers who want to have some fun at their local drag strip with a stock machine, the 2013 Shelby GT500 is the ultimate bracket racer," said Khan. "We've given our drivers the ability to exert control over all the power and torque this Mustang can produce."

So, you don't need A "pair"...but you get au pair...

No times announced at the BIG show today...must still be rainin'...

2012 IngotSilver 5.0 · 05-17-2012, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldlugs

Launch control info:
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/05/17/2...able-rpm-laun/

SIRLOIN · 05-17-2012, 08:24 PM

Would anybody argue with me if i said the Ford Gt was one of the baddest cars ever made?..

72MachOne99GT · 05-17-2012, 09:49 PM

I understand that you despise everything about the car. And yes, there are 'nannies' as you call them.

I'd argue that every car made now has 'nannies' as the government made stability control and all the other basic 'nannies' mandatory.

I also understand that you are on the C5 forum, so your opinions demonstrate the feelings of many others on here, but man....you have done NOTHING but nit pick, bash, and demean the car for as long as I can remember reading your posts.

If the GT500 came out without any of the stuff you're bashing, you'd likely proceed to call the car 'uncivilized' or 'ill-mannered'

We get it, it's a lose-lose no matter what the car does, but take a second to step back and think about the stuff you type.

72MachOne99GT · 05-17-2012, 09:53 PM

I think what is amazing is that 2,000 horsepower, is approximately a THIRD of what Top Fuels make.

Power is sooooo cool.

SILVER1 · 05-17-2012, 10:06 PM

4:36

midnighter · 05-17-2012, 10:10 PM

That's one bad mofo!

motorhead · 05-17-2012, 10:10 PM

A guy on the other forum claimed he talked to an SVT engineer today and he told him that the GT500 beat the ZL1's time at the ring but they aren't posting it. He claimed that they wanted to get it in people's hands to prove it on the street.
What a bunch of crap if you ask me.

newb · 05-17-2012, 10:21 PM

In reading the post about the launch control from lowdown, I had to ask. Although it is nice to select your launch rpm to tailor your launches, is this better/worse than the gm system that doesn't use a preset rpm but adjust according to environment. So on a cold day it gives a little lower rpm or on a hot day a little higher etc. Holding the drivers preset rpm basically means they added an old school two-step (although I am sure it's more advanced than that). Am I reading that wrong? Honest question not bashing or complaining.

JimmyDeanSausage · 05-17-2012, 10:34 PM

So now the fact that the launch control on the Gt500 looks like its way better than the zl1 launch control is a BAD thing?

Lowdown, do you have any idea how you look?

Fenderaddict2 · 05-17-2012, 10:36 PM

Looks like the press is enjoying beating on the new GT500 at Road Atlanta this week.

Fenderaddict2 · 05-17-2012, 10:38 PM

72MachOne99GT · 05-17-2012, 10:56 PM

The Grabber Blue one in the second video has been trying to seduce me from my wife all evening.

View Poll Results: ZL1 or GT500, Which one would you get?
ZL1	5	35.71%
GT500	9	64.29%
Voters: 14. You may not vote on this poll

05-17-2012, 10:06 PM	#441
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05-17-2012, 10:21 PM	#444
newb Drives: 2013 1LE Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: DMV Posts: 1,548	In reading the post about the launch control from lowdown, I had to ask. Although it is nice to select your launch rpm to tailor your launches, is this better/worse than the gm system that doesn't use a preset rpm but adjust according to environment. So on a cold day it gives a little lower rpm or on a hot day a little higher etc. Holding the drivers preset rpm basically means they added an old school two-step (although I am sure it's more advanced than that). Am I reading that wrong? Honest question not bashing or complaining. __________________ It's a Dingledarm. It's there to dampen side fumbling. If your marzelvanes fumble too much they can cause total protonic reversal. It gets ugly from there. This is really the biggest problem with the new Camaro. That and the tri-pronged blivot. Delivered 21 Jan 2013

05-17-2012, 07:43 PM	#436
LOWDOWN Downright Upright Drives: Daily Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Cruisin'... Posts: 4,145	Au pair, by any other name, is still a nanny... 2013 Shelby GT500 Launch Control Ensures Smooth Starts Regardless of Surface Condition • 2013 Ford Shelby GT500 is the first to be equipped from the factory with launch control • SVT engineers have given Shelby GT500 drivers the ability to fine-tune the launch control settings, spinning wheels for consistent, maximum acceleration DEARBORN, Mich., May 17, 2012 – Paraphrasing a classic quote – "With great power comes the need for great control" – the engineers at Ford's Special Vehicles Team have stepped up to the plate to manage the massive output of the 2013 Shelby GT500. Whether a driver is a track-day veteran or getting his first ultra-high-performance sports car, the new launch control system on the 2013 Ford Shelby GT500 will help ensure he gets smooth, consistent and fast starts every time. Uncontrolled wheel spin is generally undesirable, whether commuting to work or racing away from the Christmas tree on a Friday night at the drag strip. Both safety and performance suffer when the wheels can't get enough grip on the road. However, properly regulated, some wheel slip can be your friend. "Launch control is essentially a special mode of the traction control system that integrates the brake and engine management systems to keep the tires balanced on the peak of the mu-slip curve in order to achieve maximum thrust," explains John Pfeiffer, senior engineer, SVT Vehicle Engineering. "With so much more power and torque on tap from the new 5.8-liter V8, launch control makes it easier for drivers to take advantage of the performance." With launch control enabled, the driver just has to press the accelerator pedal to the floor and then smoothly and quickly release the clutch pedal just as he normally would when executing a clean start. The difference is that the electronics will automatically hold the engine steady at the desired speed and manage the rear brakes to allow the optimum amount of wheel slip for maximum traction. "We recognize not every driver has the same style, and surface, tire and climate conditions vary," said Eddie Khan, SVT Engineering supervisor. "Most of our competitors' launch control systems have a fixed engine launch speed. We've given Shelby GT500 drivers the ability to adjust the engine speed to achieve best and most consistent performance, no matter where and when they drive." Shelby GT500 drivers can enable launch control in two ways – either through Track Apps™ on the 4.2-inch LCD in the instrument cluster or simply by tapping a switch on the left side of the instrument panel. When using the Track Apps screen, drivers can also adjust the desired engine speed for the launch in 100 rpm increments from 3,000 to 4,500 rpm. When first getting accustomed to launch control or if the pavement is cooler, a lower speed may be more appropriate. Switching to racing tires or running in an autocross event on a warm Saturday morning may call for a launch speed closer to the upper end of the range. Once the desired engine speed has been set, launch control can be toggled on or off by tapping the instrument panel switch – more convenient than the intricate multistep process required on many other vehicles. After the launch control has been enabled or disabled, it retains that mode even after the engine has been switched off and restarted, something drag racers frequently have to do as they slowly make their way through the lines to the next quarter-mile pass. "We developed this system to enable 90 percent of drivers to be able to achieve very fast, smooth and consistent starts with the Shelby GT500 regardless of their skill level," said Khan. "Experienced drag racers may be able to get away slightly quicker, but chances are they won't be as consistent." Veteran drag racers will find the Shelby GT500 also gives them extra flexibility. Switching off the traction control while the launch control is on produces an rpm-only mode that engine calibration engineer Tom Siebyla has tuned to keep the engine speed rock-steady with the electronic throttle and ignition without scrubbing off any speed with the brakes. Autocrossers or track-day racers can also mix and match the normal, sport and off modes of the stability control with the launch control to achieve the degree of sliding or control that best suits the conditions or their personal driving style. For those times when there isn't enough grip to use launch control effectively, such as dust or moisture on the pavement, Ford electronic brake control development engineer Dan Dunn has built smarts into the launch control that enable it to automatically switch off and revert to traction control. "It's not as intrusive as some TC systems have been in the past," added Khan. "We wanted to help the driver make consistent starts without getting in the way." Launch control won't do the driving, but it is a tool to help drivers extract consistent high performance from the most powerful production Mustang ever. "For drivers who want to have some fun at their local drag strip with a stock machine, the 2013 Shelby GT500 is the ultimate bracket racer," said Khan. "We've given our drivers the ability to exert control over all the power and torque this Mustang can produce." So, you don't need A "pair"...but you *get* *au pair... No times announced at the BIG show today...must still* be rainin'...

05-17-2012, 08:24 PM	#438
SIRLOIN Banned Drives: Ms. Daisy Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Nashville,Tn Posts: 400	Would anybody argue with me if i said the Ford Gt was one of the baddest cars ever made?..

05-17-2012, 09:49 PM	#439
72MachOne99GT Anthrax Popcorn User Drives: 2013 GT500 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,286	I understand that you despise everything about the car. And yes, there are 'nannies' as you call them. I'd argue that every car made now has 'nannies' as the government made stability control and all the other basic 'nannies' mandatory. I also understand that you are on the C5 forum, so your opinions demonstrate the feelings of many others on here, but man....you have done NOTHING but nit pick, bash, and demean the car for as long as I can remember reading your posts. If the GT500 came out without any of the stuff you're bashing, you'd likely proceed to call the car 'uncivilized' or 'ill-mannered' We get it, it's a lose-lose no matter what the car does, but take a second to step back and think about the stuff you type.

05-17-2012, 09:53 PM	#440
72MachOne99GT Anthrax Popcorn User Drives: 2013 GT500 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,286	I think what is amazing is that 2,000 horsepower, is approximately a THIRD of what Top Fuels make. Power is sooooo cool.

05-17-2012, 10:10 PM	#442
midnighter Account Suspended Drives: nothing Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: a hole Posts: 17,904	That's one bad mofo!

05-17-2012, 10:10 PM	#443
motorhead Drives: Love the one you're with Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Downtown Charlie Brown Posts: 11,849	A guy on the other forum claimed he talked to an SVT engineer today and he told him that the GT500 beat the ZL1's time at the ring but they aren't posting it. He claimed that they wanted to get it in people's hands to prove it on the street. What a bunch of crap if you ask me.

05-17-2012, 10:34 PM	#445
JimmyDeanSausage Banned Drives: GM Join Date: May 2012 Location: Nevada Posts: 76	So now the fact that the launch control on the Gt500 looks like its way better than the zl1 launch control is a BAD thing? Lowdown, do you have any idea how you look?

05-17-2012, 10:56 PM	#448
72MachOne99GT Anthrax Popcorn User Drives: 2013 GT500 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,286	The Grabber Blue one in the second video has been trying to seduce me from my wife all evening.