Any chance GM could sell Pontiac division ? - Page 3

ArcAngel · 05-17-2009, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by nards444

BUMP,
but with a fleet average of 35 means your not going to see anything under 20 so even the trucks would be getting good gas.

thats actually a fallacious statement. The cafe reads totally different than the assumptions made here. Trucks will have a different fleet rating so will large cars, coupes, etc etc there are alot of loop holes

1320junkie · 05-17-2009, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by nards444

BUMP,
but with a fleet average of 35 means your not going to see anything under 20 so even the trucks would be getting good gas.

Not true in the law of averages..you can have an extremely efficient car on one end of the spectrum to balance out the gazz guzzler on the other end...but the types of vehicle plays a big factor into that as well..different rules for different styles..i.e. trucks etc

ArcAngel · 05-17-2009, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 1320junkie

Not true in the law of averages..you can have an extremely efficient car on one end of the spectrum to balance out the gazz guzzler on the other end...but the types of vehicle plays a big factor into that as well..different rules for different styles..i.e. trucks etc

AMEN

1320junkie · 05-17-2009, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ArcAngel

AMEN

Wassup brother from another mother (Mustang lover..lol)

ArcAngel · 05-17-2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 1320junkie

Wassup brother from another mother (Mustang lover..lol)

Not Much man just chillin!! How do you like the new sig?

1320junkie · 05-17-2009, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ArcAngel

Not Much man just chillin!! How do you like the new sig?

It's sick!! I'm going out to Ontario Beach in a few to hang out and go look for some others who enjoy spirited driving..lol...I got wind of a few spots.

ArcAngel · 05-17-2009, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 1320junkie

It's sick!! I'm going out to Ontario Beach in a few to hang out and go look for some others who enjoy spirited driving..lol...I got wind of a few spots.

sweeeet lucky you!!!

theholycow · 05-17-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by nards444

BUMP,
but with a fleet average of 35 means your not going to see anything under 20 so even the trucks would be getting good gas.

CAFE puts trucks as a separate fleet from cars, and in fact, CAFE is to blame for the proliferance of SUVs now. When CAFE came around, people were buying big cars; manufacturers made smaller, less powerful cars to try to meet CAFE requirements. People still wanted to drive something big so they bought trucks. Soccer moms needed full size wagons but they weren't available, so the minivan was invented, but that was so lame that they looked for something more. Manufacturers saw the trend beginning and nurtured it until it became normal for every soccer mom to drive something similar to a cap-equipped pickup.

Also the fleet average number is not based on the same numbers you see on the window sticker. The CAFE numbers are way higher than the estimates presented to the consumer.

For example, a 2009 Malibu. Its CAFE highway rating is 46.8. Its highway rating on the window sticker is 33.

ArcAngel · 05-17-2009, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by theholycow

CAFE puts trucks as a separate fleet from cars, and in fact, CAFE is to blame for the proliferance of SUVs now. When CAFE came around, people were buying big cars; manufacturers made smaller, less powerful cars to try to meet CAFE requirements. People still wanted to drive something big so they bought trucks. Soccer moms needed full size wagons but they weren't available, so the minivan was invented, but that was so lame that they looked for something more. Manufacturers saw the trend beginning and nurtured it until it became normal for every soccer mom to drive something similar to a cap-equipped pickup.

Also the fleet average number is not based on the same numbers you see on the window sticker. The CAFE numbers are way higher than the estimates presented to the consumer.

For example, a 2009 Malibu. Its CAFE highway rating is 46.8. Its highway rating on the window sticker is 33.

OOOHHHH sweet truth!!!

joepitt · 05-17-2009, 03:04 PM

I don't think it would help. I'm 55, and growing up Pontiac's catch phrase was "Pontiac builds excitement". That hasn't been true, nor has the brand been marketed that way for some time. Pontiac has little street credibility any more as anything special. I like the G8 and Solstice, but that isn't much to build a business on. As for getting a Firebird, do you really think GM would let another company have access to the Camaro platform to compete with them??

ArcAngel · 05-17-2009, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by joepitt

I don't think it would help. I'm 55, and growing up Pontiac's catch phrase was "Pontiac builds excitement". That hasn't been true, nor has the brand been marketed that way for some time. Pontiac has little street credibility any more as anything special. I like the G8 and Solstice, but that isn't much to build a business on. As for getting a Firebird, do you really think GM would let another company have access to the Camaro platform to compete with them??

quoted for truth

nards444 · 05-17-2009, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ArcAngel

OOOHHHH sweet truth!!!

whatever the fact how you can argue with getting better gas mileage on cars? When I go buy a car im not going to be oh you get better gas mileage im not buying that. Im not talking the politics of everything, i mean there seems to be some rightest views which i am neither party. I am just talking cars in general, I mean who wouldnt like to better milage vehicles. I dont understand you people who are always thinking things are going to get taken away. You people have been saying that crap for years. Put down the politics and just talk the subject at hand.

ArcAngel · 05-17-2009, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by nards444

whatever the fact how you can argue with getting better gas mileage on cars? When I go buy a car im not going to be oh you get better gas mileage im not buying that. Im not talking the politics of everything, i mean there seems to be some rightest views which i am neither party. I am just talking cars in general, I mean who wouldnt like to better milage vehicles. I dont understand you people who are always thinking things are going to get taken away. You people have been saying that crap for years. Put down the politics and just talk the subject at hand.

subject at hand is this, supply and demand my friend, not govt mandated cafe. If you want to talk no politics then let the free market follow trends. If it trended that way then allow it if not , tell the govt to butt out.

nards444 · 05-17-2009, 04:33 PM

alright Im not focusing on you but this is a conclusion I have seen. And this is my last post in regards to this because its off topic(before we start i am middle of road, I have voted for both the last three elections) But why is it everytime a demo gets in office all the conservative start crying that everything is going to be taken away?? Granted they have put in policies to restrict things but not prohibit. There has to be some regulation, otherwise we would be like some african nations. And look what no regulation for the last 8 years, which has the car crisis what its in now

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nards444 Drives: 1SS/RS Black Join Date: May 2009 Location: New york Posts: 2,123 View My Garage	alright Im not focusing on you but this is a conclusion I have seen. And this is my last post in regards to this because its off topic(before we start i am middle of road, I have voted for both the last three elections) But why is it everytime a demo gets in office all the conservative start crying that everything is going to be taken away?? Granted they have put in policies to restrict things but not prohibit. There has to be some regulation, otherwise we would be like some african nations. And look what no regulation for the last 8 years, which has the car crisis what its in now