NEW YEARS RESOLUTION WEIGHT LOSS THREAD 2012

[CFD]

Originally Posted by camaroitalia

ohh ok! thanks! how useful is doing half a scoop before and half after?

If you're reffering to a 1/2 scoop of protein powder before and after that's good but you should mix it with a high GI fluid to optimize the protein intalke. An example I have given is something like gatorade, you can buy maltidextrose or dextrose as well, it is dirt cheap.

[RubyCamaro]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

Oh, and just for you BB, Speedy is officially ready for the TX Mile in October LMAO

Dayuum! Lookin' good!

[Speedy1975]

Thanks Ruby!

Camaroitalia - Don't listen to these guys. Carbs are the ENEMY! Get in to ketosis and fill in the missing calories with healthy fats (olive oil, red meat, and almonds) and watch the fat fly off.

It's not a lifetime type of diet, but you can use it to get where you wanna be, then slowly add in a few carbs to maintain.

[CFD]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

Thanks Ruby!

Camaroitalia - Don't listen to these guys. Carbs are the ENEMY! Get in to ketosis and fill in the missing calories with healthy fats (olive oil, red meat, and almonds) and watch the fat fly off.

It's not a lifetime type of diet, but you can use it to get where you wanna be, then slowly add in a few carbs to maintain.

What a misguideing statement that is to Camaroitalia. Keto diets do shed fat very quickly but are only for that purpose and are very short term often sacrificing energy and LBM. Those that use Keto diets usually maintain healthy eating and exercise and use Keto to prep for competitions etc.

The best way, which Camaroitalia is already practicing is to incorporate a healthy diet and exercise program, he is not, unless I'm mistaken, looking to drop a few pounds quickly only to bounce back and forth.

Carbs are NOT your enemy, bad carbs are and over indulging in carb consumption (as with anything) is the enemy. You could, as often suggested, is get your carbs from fiberous sources such as green leafy veggies but to eliminate them is not the best way to go.

Camaroitali, stick to what you are doing, your results have been impressive to say the least, stick to it and enjoy a healthy long life.

Just to explain, Keto diets completely eliminate carbs causing the body to go into ketosis which is when you do not produce insulin, whith no insulin your body is forced to burn fat for fuel, sounds great but there are problems with this and the body cannot sustain this for too long. Here are the short term side affects of ketosis.

Early Stages

Ketosis symptoms change depending how long you've been in the state. In the early stages of ketosis, the symptoms may be a bit unpleasant. However, as your body adapts to the presence of ketones in the bloodstream, symptoms lessen and change. Early ketosis symptoms usually last for several days or up to a week in some people. This typically continues until the body is used to burning fat instead of glucose. After the several days, the levels of ketones in the body will lessen, but that does not mean you are no longer losing weight. It simply means your body has found a balance and is no longer producing excess ketones.


Early stage symptoms include the following:

• Tiredness or fatigue
• Headache
• Feeling thirsty all the time
• Dry mouth
• Ketosis breath, which smells vaguely fruity and not terribly pleasant
• Metallic taste in the mouth, particularly on the back of the tongue near the molars
• Weakness
• Dizziness
• Nausea or stomach ache
• Sleep problems
• Cold hands and feet
• Frequent urination

[kalimus]

I'd also like to point out that the number one most successful LONG TERM diet to keep the pounds off is Weight Watchers, which is a simplistic calorie counting approach offering protein, carbs, and fat... where Atkins (ketosis) is quite farther down the list. Even Atkins, which was originally 100% carb free, has now incorporated small amounts of carbs.

In my opinion, it's the fastest way to shred some fat, but that fat will come back quickly when you re-introduce carbs (in comparison to other diets), and it's very stressful to your body especially if you're lifting. I would take a Paleo diet long before a keto diet I can't do that one either though, because its much harder for me to plan out all my meals, since most of mine use whole grains as carbs.

However... if you want to try Keto (to each their own), I would definitely not stay on it for more than 3-4 weeks tops, and then SLOWLY re-introduce your carbs. I've tried it once, and I felt awful. I couldn't do it for more than two weeks. Replacing carbs with HEALTHY fats is very difficult, even though fat has a tad more than twice as many calories per gram. And you have to remember too, that even though it keeps your insulin levels extremely low, you can still store fat if you overeat.

[Speedy1975]

CFD, you see me man....I don't bounce back and forth at all. I maintain a single digit body fat percentage YEAR ROUND, and 6% in the summer. I think my results speak for themselves no?

Not trying to be a jerk here but you gave me all kinds of crap last year about my diet and routine, yet by June I was a very muscular 5.8% body fat and never lost an ounce of strength in the gym. Matter of fact I gained strength and had more than one person inquire if I were using steroids, which I WAS NOT.

As of this morning I'm at 8.3% BF so I've finally broken through that 9% barrier...how did I do it? Cut the carbs and bumped the protein.

I've posted lots of my workouts and what I eat daily for folks. It ain't rocket science, but does require discipline, which in my experience, most folks just don't have. That may be why they bounce back and forth.

Everyone is a bit different and will have to find the right combo for them, but once found, stick with it and you'll meet your goals. Once you get that body fat down where you want it, it's easy to maintain and you can add back in some healthy carbs. Throw in a REASONABLE cheat meal once or twice a week (I do mine on the weekends to recharge) and it makes it an easy diet to follow.

I do get a few of the side effects you list above (some headaches, sleeplessness, thirsty, and the metallic taste) but that just lets me know I'm doing what I need to be and it's working. It's by no means unmanageable at all, and after you get past the initial fatigue and your body switches to burning fat for fuel, you feel perfectly fine.

It's not like you can't have ANY carbs, just limited. For example I was getting muscle cramps in cross fit, so now I have a small banana before class with some cottage cheese and a few almonds. No more cramps. I limit the carbs to less than 75gr per day and have my protein at about 300 - 350gr / day. The fats I don't stress over as I get plenty of those in the red meat I eat for lunch or dinner and will occasionally mix a table spoon of olive oil in my protein shake.

[kalimus]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

It's not like you can't have ANY carbs, just limited. For example I was getting muscle cramps in cross fit, so now I have a small banana before class with some cottage cheese and a few almonds. No more cramps. I limit the carbs to less than 75gr per day and have my protein at about 300 - 350gr / day. The fats I don't stress over as I get plenty of those in the red meat I eat for lunch or dinner and will occasionally mix a table spoon of olive oil in my protein shake.

I think that's what he was saying though speedy You had some of the side effects, so you added carbs and it helped. That just goes to show that carbs are not the enemy I completely agree, as does CFD, that reducing carbs are the proper way to cut BF numbers. But going to zero, especially for any length of time, is not the best way to do it. Most of us fluxuate because we bulk and cut. You can definitely get stronger while cutting, but you're not gaining any new muscle mass. That's not my opinion, that's science, and any bodybuilder will say the same thing.

And I don't know anything about you, so I'm not assuming anything... but his bodytype might be endomorph and yours might be ectomorph

[CFD]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

CFD, you see me man....I don't bounce back and forth at all. I maintain a single digit body fat percentage YEAR ROUND, and 6% in the summer. I think my results speak for themselves no?

Not trying to be a jerk here but you gave me all kinds of crap last year about my diet and routine, yet by June I was a very muscular 5.8% body fat and never lost an ounce of strength in the gym. Matter of fact I gained strength and had more than one person inquire if I were using steroids, which I WAS NOT.

As of this morning I'm at 8.3% BF so I've finally broken through that 9% barrier...how did I do it? Cut the carbs and bumped the protein.

I've posted lots of my workouts and what I eat daily for folks. It ain't rocket science, but does require discipline, which in my experience, most folks just don't have. That may be why they bounce back and forth.

Everyone is a bit different and will have to find the right combo for them, but once found, stick with it and you'll meet your goals. Once you get that body fat down where you want it, it's easy to maintain and you can add back in some healthy carbs. Throw in a REASONABLE cheat meal once or twice a week (I do mine on the weekends to recharge) and it makes it an easy diet to follow.

I do get a few of the side effects you list above (some headaches, sleeplessness, thirsty, and the metallic taste) but that just lets me know I'm doing what I need to be and it's working. It's by no means unmanageable at all, and after you get past the initial fatigue and your body switches to burning fat for fuel, you feel perfectly fine.

It's not like you can't have ANY carbs, just limited. For example I was getting muscle cramps in cross fit, so now I have a small banana before class with some cottage cheese and a few almonds. No more cramps. I limit the carbs to less than 75gr per day and have my protein at about 300 - 350gr / day. The fats I don't stress over as I get plenty of those in the red meat I eat for lunch or dinner and will occasionally mix a table spoon of olive oil in my protein shake.

I'm not trying to start an argument either, you've also seen my photo's and I'm in pretty good shape especially considering my age, actually, forget my age, I'm in pretty good shape period. I accomplish this using my methods and strategies. I have also tried keto style diets and feel they definately are not worth the side effects considering the same results can be had using carb cycling or carb tappering. I've seen your diets and they are more carb cycling than keto. Most keto diets recomend no more than 30g of carbs per day and many as low as 5-7% , they also recomend as much as 65% fat intake. There is no doubt you will burn fat on a keto diet, there is no way you could not but this type of diet is an advanced method that requires following it very strictly, if not any consumption of carbs except on loading days will result in rapid fat gain. Most keto type diets that the average person TRIES to follow ultimately result in gainning more fat and weight, they are way to restrictive for most people to follow. I feel that this type of dieting is far from the best approach for people trying to to loose large amounts of fat/weight and make a life style change.

[bossbunny]

A friend of mine does a keto diet so I asked my sister about it. She is very anti keto diet. Of course she sited the more severe consequences such as acidic blood and organs not functioning properly, not for me. I like my carbs, just in moderation.

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by kalimus

I think that's what he was saying though speedy You had some of the side effects, so you added carbs and it helped. That just goes to show that carbs are not the enemy I completely agree, as does CFD, that reducing carbs are the proper way to cut BF numbers. But going to zero, especially for any length of time, is not the best way to do it. Most of us fluxuate because we bulk and cut. You can definitely get stronger while cutting, but you're not gaining any new muscle mass. That's not my opinion, that's science, and any bodybuilder will say the same thing.

And I don't know anything about you, so I'm not assuming anything... but his bodytype might be endomorph and yours might be ectomorph

I have several body builders (pros) as friends and they recommend 50-75gr of carbs per day, no more, and lower it if not getting the results you want. The crossfit workout was intense, so to maximize results I had to listen to my body and give it what it needed at that specific time and the banana got rid of the muscle cramps allowing me to work out harder.

I used to do serious bulk and cut, I'm talking 6,000 cals a day bulking, and honestly I got tired of having to work so hard to shed the fat that went along with it. I got to 14% BF on one of those cycles and getting back down to single digit took way more cardio than I like to do, so I've since settled on keeping it under 10% even when bulking. That makes for a much more enjoyable, and less stressful, spring and I'm not ever gonna be a 220 lb body builder anyway.

To be honest, it's working better using this method, at least for my body type. When I was younger I was seriously ectomorph, I'm talking 5'11 and 115lbs ectomorph. As I've gotten older I'm borderline mesomorph, however I will lose weight rapidly if I DO NOT lift weights. Took two weeks off last summer to move and lost 10lbs and the strength that carried.

[CFD]

Originally Posted by badgebunny

A friend of mine does a keto diet so I asked my sister about it. She is very anti keto diet. Of course she sited the more severe consequences such as acidic blood and organs not functioning properly, not for me. I like my carbs, just in moderation.

Most nutritionists are totally against keto diets, they do force your body to burn fat, it has no choice, it needs fuel and without carbs your body, be it fat or lbm becomes the fuel, and usually it's both. Most body builders that use keto diets use them for short periods only for extreme cutting usually pre contest otherwise their energy levels drop drastically. Your body can become very efficient at burnning fat for fuel but it is far from the best fuel that can be provided. The other thing to keep in mind is that you can still eat carbs that keep insulin levels low or steady which is very desireable, also eating healthy fats with carbs slows their digestion and helps maintain steady insulin levels. This is why eating low GI carbs, protein and healthy fats is in my opinion the best method. Everyones body type is different that is why you keep tract of what you eat so that you can change the ratios to be the most effective.

[bossbunny]

Originally Posted by CFD

Most nutritionists are totally against keto diets, they do force your body to burn fat, it has no choice, it needs fuel and without carbs your body, be it fat or lbm becomes the fuel, and usually it's both. Most body builders that use keto diets use them for short periods only for extreme cutting usually pre contest otherwise their energy levels drop drastically. Your body can become very efficient at burnning fat for fuel but it is far from the best fuel that can be provided. The other thing to keep in mind is that you can still eat carbs that keep insulin levels low or steady which is very desireable, also eating healthy fats with carbs slows their digestion and helps maintain steady insulin levels. This is why eating low GI carbs, protein and healthy fats is in my opinion the best method. Everyones body type is different that is why you keep tract of what you eat so that you can change the ratios to be the most effective.

Yeah, she isn't for it. But she says she does see the benefits of it for a short time. Like as in for competition purposes. Just not for prolonged periods.

And word.

[Speedy1975]

Interestingly, the coach at the crossfit place beat me up more about drinking diet mtn dew than the whiskey I tend to like. I'm day 2 of no diet mtn dew at lunch and am jonesing big time. It made me think I was getting something sweet so I didn't crave sugar, and now well.....

She told me to drink tequila instead of whiskey as it was more paleo or whatever. I told her the LAST thing anybody needed was me drinking tequila. It's like Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde me and that stuff. Every wild thought I've ever had comes right to the surface with no filter. Last time I had it I ended up dancing on the roof of my truck in my boxers with a big straw cowboy hat on and a beach towel tied around my neck like a cape LOL Spent the whole next day hammering out the dents in my roof UGH. I'll stick with whiskey thank you very much.

[kalimus]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

I have several body builders (pros) as friends and they recommend 50-75gr of carbs per day, no more, and lower it if not getting the results you want. The crossfit workout was intense, so to maximize results I had to listen to my body and give it what it needed at that specific time and the banana got rid of the muscle cramps allowing me to work out harder.

I used to do serious bulk and cut, I'm talking 6,000 cals a day bulking, and honestly I got tired of having to work so hard to shed the fat that went along with it. I got to 14% BF on one of those cycles and getting back down to single digit took way more cardio than I like to do, so I've since settled on keeping it under 10% even when bulking. That makes for a much more enjoyable, and less stressful, spring and I'm not ever gonna be a 220 lb body builder anyway.

To be honest, it's working better using this method, at least for my body type. When I was younger I was seriously ectomorph, I'm talking 5'11 and 115lbs ectomorph. As I've gotten older I'm borderline mesomorph, however I will lose weight rapidly if I DO NOT lift weights. Took two weeks off last summer to move and lost 10lbs and the strength that carried.

Haha part of me wishes I was that kind of ectomorph. I'm the opposite. I can put on weight very quickly with only about 3500-4000 calories/day (aiming for about a pound per week). When cutting time comes around though, it kind of sucks. I never let myself get more than about 15% BF. I can see if you want to maintain, and not do the bulking/cutting cycles. it's a pain in the ass, and I totally understand why you got tired of it. I'm tired of it now! But it gives me a constant new set of goals, so I'll stick with it for a couple more years. 50-75g of carbs... I definitely see that on low days when I carb cycle, but I often have a high day of carbs (200-250g) every fourth day when carb cycling. If I did that low of carbs for any length of time, I'd probably pass out I also do very slow cutting, to make sure I keep as much muscle as I can. If a person gets into the single digits and is STILL losing 1.5-2 pounds a week, that's going to be a fair amount more of muscle mass loss, than say... a half to a pound per week.