Toyota loss larger them GM's

[FenwickHockey65]

Scion sales figures, April 2009...

Scion xB: 2,036 units sold, down 51.8%
Scion tC: 1,526 units sold, down 63%
Scion xD: 880 units sold, down 69.8%

No idea where he got the idea that scions are "hot cars" because sales are in the dump right now.

And by the way, if toyota has a shitload of money saved up, why were they down to around $18 billion in cash a few months ago and had to take out loans from the Japanese government?

[FNKNSTN]

And the Malibu is better in nearly every way. Waiting on reliability results...

When did this become a Chevy VS Toyota thread? I think the Malibu is a cool car, and it's a great rival to the Camry... and the style has greatly improved over the past few years.

Toyota has a reputation for building cars that you can really drive into the ground... putting many thousands of miles on them before they totally crap out.

Many on this site would argue the same thing [driving the crap out of them] about Chevy's ...

I agree. I have no idea how many miles are on my truck. I only know that I've put around 30,000 miles on my new engine and transmission.

GM is getting poked in the chest and being bitched at about mileage, and their inefficient SUV's and pickup trucks. But I'll tell you, if I didn't already have a 77 Silverado, I'd be buying a 2009 Silverado instead of a Camaro.

I can't find any data on Scions sales. Please share them if you have it.

Look around, dude. There's your data on Scion sales. Maybe Scions aren't as hot where you are as they are here in California though. Then again, I'd bet that there are more people buying more cars in California than in your area of Canada. - Forgive me, I have never studied Canadian geography.

They [Lexus] sold fewer units in America than GM's luxury brands (Caddy + Buick) did.

Wow, so two American brands combined beat out a Jap company? Again, I can't recall the last time I saw a Buick on the road. Are you talking about sales in the past few years? Or over-all? In Los Angeles, Lexus is all over the place.

GM is a massive company that has made an amazing amount of money in the past 100 years.

Yeah, it took 100 years to make an amazing amount of money like Toyota did in the past 20 years.

What? For decades they sold more than anyone else in the world. They had a roughly 50% US market share for a while.

Yeah dude, you get it? For decades BEFORE Toyota even existed, GM held roughly 50% of the US market share.

So, Toyota (with supposedly superior products) is losing sales because of the economy, but GM losing fewer sales last month in the exact same economy is because of poor products? And yes, Toyota is LOSING money, not simply being under their sales projection. They have more to lose, but when income is less than expenditures, its is a loss.

Who said anything about superiority? This thread was started because someone noticed that Toyota has lost a billion dollars more in sales than GM has, and no one ever speaks of Toyota filing for bankruptcy. Toyota is a big beast and can afford to lose more, and that is why they aren't talking about going bankrupt like GM. Toyota has been ahead of the curve in the Hybrid market, whereas GM has seemed to have focused on pushing Flex-Fuel [engines that can run on gasoline or ethanol] models.

GM thought the same way a 20 years ago...

That's my point. GM was on top of the world - - - - - - 20 years ago.

GM is the average Joe who is trying to hold on and ride out the storm.

not going to dispute that

Now GM can help itself out by boosting their numbers by MILLIONS if they would just ship out these ****ing Camaros that we're all waiting for!!!!!

[FNKNSTN]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Scion sales figures, April 2009...

Scion xB: 2,036 units sold, down 51.8%
Scion tC: 1,526 units sold, down 63%
Scion xD: 880 units sold, down 69.8%

No idea where he got the idea that scions are "hot cars" because sales are in the dump right now.

And by the way, if toyota has a shitload of money saved up, why were they down to around $18 billion in cash a few months ago and had to take out loans from the Japanese government?

Again, look at all the combined numbers compared to the combined numbers of the GM brands. A bigger company can afford to lose more than a smaller company can.

Those Scion sales are down so drastically because they were up so high a couple years ago! You get it? "Down 69%" - Down from where? Down from being on top of the world! That's from where!

Starbucks was down 99% last year. 99% would kill a small company. But the Starbucks' in my neighborhood are still open.

What would happen if GM sales were down 99%? - They'd close up shop, that's what they'd do.

[FNKNSTN]

A person could go from living it up in the Hollywood Hills, to having their income cut by 75% and have to downgrade so an LA suburb.

A person could go from living it up in an LA suburb, to having their income cut by 75% and have to downgrade to living in a trailer... or just sleeping out on the streets.

[marcgo2]

Toyota has something like $30 billion in cash and liquid assets, so they can take a loss. Where as GM has tax payer money. I was happy to see Toyota taking a hit, their quality has dropped.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by FNKNSTN

...

Wow, so two American brands combined beat out a Jap company? ...

Please - if you're going to abbreviate Japanese (I'm assuming you are, otherwise you're using it racially) please use punctuation. It reads suggestive otherwise.

Thank you.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by marcgo2

Toyota has something like $30 billion in cash and liquid assets, so they can take a loss. Where as GM has tax payer money. I was happy to see Toyota taking a hit, their quality has dropped.

According to an article from earlier this year, toyota was down to around $18.5 billion in cash...

[Camaro_Corvette]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Many on this site would argue the same thing about Chevy's ...

F***ing

I be one of them. Drive it like you stole it types My car still runs..

[marcgo2]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

According to an article from earlier this year, toyota was down to around $18.5 billion in cash...

http://money.cnn.com/2009/05/08/auto...iews/index.htm

[FNKNSTN]

Originally Posted by radz282003

Please - if you're going to abbreviate Japanese (I'm assuming you are, otherwise you're using it racially) please use punctuation. It reads suggestive otherwise.

Thank you.

I don't get it. If there were a Jewish car company based out of Israel, would you give me shit for calling it a Jew company?

Lighten up dude... I'm here in defense of Toyota. It's not like I called them a bunch of lousy monkey-faced slant-eyes. I'm not that type of guy. I think Toyota is a great company, in general... and I'm not racist. And no racist thought crossed my mind when I typed out "Jap".

This thread is about 2 car companies in heavy financial situations, and I would really appreciate it if you just got over yourself and you didn't twist it around to make this a racial situation, THANK YOU.

[FNKNSTN]

Originally Posted by camaro_corvette

F***ing

I be one of them. Drive it like you stole it types My car still runs..

What happened to your '86-Z? A bad breakdown?

[duder4thgen]

Originally Posted by FNKNSTN

Toyota has a reputation for building cars that you can really drive into the ground... putting many thousands of miles on them before they totally crap out.

So is that before the engine sludges up and blows with regular maintenance? Or before the frame rusts in half? Or before the tailgate snaps off when you put something on it? Or when one of your cams randomly snaps when your truck it brand new? Go work in an auto shop that does foreign and domestic, imports arent nearly as invincible as they are made out to be.

Wow, so two American brands combined beat out a Jap company? Again, I can't recall the last time I saw a Buick on the road. Are you talking about sales in the past few years? Or over-all? In Los Angeles, Lexus is all over the place.

Oh, that explains it.

[FNKNSTN]

Originally Posted by duder4thgen

So is that before the engine sludges up and blows with regular maintenance? Or before the frame rusts in half? Or before the tailgate snaps off when you put something on it? Or when one of your cams randomly snaps when your truck it brand new? Go work in an auto shop that does foreign and domestic, imports arent nearly as invincible as they are made out to be.




Oh, that explains it.

Somebody sadomize this guy for me

Last I checked we weren't talking about trucks, dipshit.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by FNKNSTN

Somebody sadomize this guy for me

Last I checked we weren't talking about trucks, dipshit.

The engine sludge problem was in everything from camrys to highlanders...

And why are you ignoring the truck aspect?