I don't understand Chevrolet anymore

[The IOM Ninja]

Originally Posted by DarkFox1

misunderstood, sorry.

No problem I may have blown up a bit, I just appreciate the fact that for the most part GM, Mopar, and Ford are putting built quality a little bit higher on rung then they had from 1960-2000. It's good that American Car Manufacturers are putting forth an effort to stop building shitmobiles...

Who would have thought 10 years ago a Camaro would be able to pull 1.00G or that a Corvette would be pulling 2.00G+

[DarkFox1]

Originally Posted by The IOM Ninja

No problem I may have blown up a bit, I just appreciate the fact that for the most part GM, Mopar, and Ford are putting built quality a little bit higher on rung then they had from 1960-2000. It's good that American Car Manufacturers are putting forth an effort to stop building shitmobiles...

Who would have thought 10 years ago a Camaro would be able to pull 1.00G or that a Corvette would be pulling 2.00G+

I absolutely agree. My dad loves to drive my 2010 gmc sierra. He has a 99 and always tells me how my truck handles like a sports car.

It has coil overs like a passenger car in the front, despite being 4wd. They've stepped it up in all areas really. I know some people hate on domestics, but I think they're trying to compare a wrx sti to a 67 chevelle.. it's apples to bricks with wheels. (sexy awesome powerful bricks with wheels..)

[upflying]

Track cars are better street cars. Chevy does not sell street legal drag cars because not all roads are straight.

[porcupinekiller]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Umm...there's an automatic in the ZL1.

I think the OP was referring to the L99 A6 SS having a lower HP rating than the LS3 M6 SS. 400 for the L99 vs 426 for the LS3.

[DarkFox1]

Originally Posted by porcupinekiller

I think the OP was referring to the L99 A6 SS having a lower HP rating than the LS3 M6 SS. 400 for the L99 vs 426 for the LS3.

blame the EPA for that one. Everything done to these cars.. the 6L80E, the VVT, the DOD.. all for fuel economy standards.

[Topher]

Originally Posted by Lou_Dorchen

Of course they would have. Ford designed a new engine for the 2005 Mustangs, it had 40 more HP than the 2004s and was alot better engine in terms of modding as well. And Chevy wasn't even making Camaros back then.

If it wasnt for the 2005+ Mustangs, you wouldn't have Camaros or Challengers. Strong Mustang sales showed GM and Dodge there was a huge market for muscle cars.

Dude, the concept 5th gen camaro was already being designed and built for the Jan '06 Detroit Auto show when the '05 mustangs hit the sales lots.

And unless you are talking about an SRT8, no one should ever compare a challenger to a camaro; they are underpowered boats.

[The IOM Ninja]

Originally Posted by Topher

Dude, the concept 5th gen camaro was already being designed and built for the Jan '06 Detroit Auto show when the '05 mustangs hit the sales lots.

And unless you are talking about an SRT8, no one should ever compare a challenger to a camaro; they are underpowered boats.

Dude, it takes more than a year to design a car, they would have started designing the '05 Mustang back in 2002 if not earlier, the Camaro Concept was just that a Concept of what a future Camaro could have looked like. GM had no intention of building it until people started freaking out saying they wanted it built....

[truth411]

Originally Posted by Lou_Dorchen

Of course they would have. Ford designed a new engine for the 2005 Mustangs, it had 40 more HP than the 2004s and was alot better engine in terms of modding as well. And Chevy wasn't even making Camaros back then.

If it wasnt for the 2005+ Mustangs, you wouldn't have Camaros or Challengers. Strong Mustang sales showed GM and Dodge there was a huge market for muscle cars.

And those mustangs still got there butts whipt by LS1 camaros. Sorry I had to stick that in there

[Number 3]

One word.......................balance

The Camaro does many things very well. You are asking for a bias toward straight line performance at the expense of all the other things........................or is that not what you meant?

[TOMS1SS]

I'm totally lost after reading the original post. I think that was a half hearted thought lost in mishmash of nonsense. lol

[SpaceLord]

Let's also not forget Chevy does with 1 cam what ford struggles to do with 2 Mod motor..pfffffhahahahaha! I actually had an argument with a ford fellow on what handles better, the Camaro or the Mustang. He's under the impression a solid rear axel out performs an IRS. Fords riding on horse carriage technology...ironic, I know.

[jesserayjames]

Originally Posted by larietrope

Being a long time Chevy guy with the option of puting Ford in the rear view mirror, I am confused about Chevrolet's position today concerning straight line performance.
It seems everthing Chevrolet is coming out with has more to do with cornering rather than straight line. I know, the ZL1, but it too is more a track car than a drag car.
I'm still disappointed that the automatic is not offered in the highest HP engine as Mustang does.
The 2013 Mustang offers 420 HP in the automatic, an on board system that tells you your performance, even a Christmas tree for starting acceleration,
Another cool feature is you open the door at night and the pony logo is reflected onto the ground from the bottom of the mirrow until you shut the door.
What I'm saying is Chevy seems tentative and not being as bold as Ford is on appealing ideas and performance. I'd like to see the old Chevy attitude of we're number one come back with new ideas and performance to stay on top rather than reacting to what Mustang is doing.

I guess you haven't read about The CoPo Camaro drag car..................................

[The IOM Ninja]

Originally Posted by SpaceLord

Let's also not forget Chevy does with 1 cam what ford struggles to do with 2 Mod motor..pfffffhahahahaha! I actually had an argument with a ford fellow on what handles better, the Camaro or the Mustang. He's under the impression a solid rear axel out performs an IRS. Fords riding on horse carriage technology...ironic, I know.

The Mustang stock for stock does out handle its comparable Camaro Trims, this is why Chevy worked so hard on the ZL1 and now is releasing the 1LE so that they can bring the Camaro up to speed in the cornering department....

Ford has dual cams and 16 extra valves to make up for the missing 1.2 liters of displacement...

A Solid Axle doesnt out perform IRS, unless it's Ford Engineers working with it .

[JamesNoBrakes]

Originally Posted by larietrope

Being a long time Chevy guy with the option of puting Ford in the rear view mirror, I am confused about Chevrolet's position today concerning straight line performance.
It seems everthing Chevrolet is coming out with has more to do with cornering rather than straight line. I know, the ZL1, but it too is more a track car than a drag car.
I'm still disappointed that the automatic is not offered in the highest HP engine as Mustang does.
The 2013 Mustang offers 420 HP in the automatic, an on board system that tells you your performance, even a Christmas tree for starting acceleration,
Another cool feature is you open the door at night and the pony logo is reflected onto the ground from the bottom of the mirrow until you shut the door.
What I'm saying is Chevy seems tentative and not being as bold as Ford is on appealing ideas and performance. I'd like to see the old Chevy attitude of we're number one come back with new ideas and performance to stay on top rather than reacting to what Mustang is doing.

It's probably a lot more work to make a fast car that corners well. What's the point of offering some expensive "drag" car when you can go build one out of a muscle car or a dozen other bodies with a shoe-horned huge engine in them? I'll take handling, because it's something I can actually use.

I think chevy is doing the right thing. Ford is doing the right thing too. Ford is selling cars and making some of the cars that people want. Chevy is making some of the cars that people want. Given the Zeta chassi, I'd say Chevy took the "boldest" steps here with their IRS and stiff chassi. In this segment, that was unheard of. The others are making decent cars now because of this. Older mustangs were a joke with 300hp V8s. Now chevy has the ZL1 with supercar handling and performance. It's not slow, it's damn fast around a track and everywhere else. A rounded car. If you want something else, there are other manufacturers that make heavier and lighter cars, slower and faster, and so on. I think most of this is due to chevy taking some serious big steps with the ZR-1/06, CTS-V and Camaro vehicles. Ford tried to mirror a bit of this with the 31 flavors of Mustang, but I think Chevy ends up on top with more distinctive choices. What does ford have that's like a Z06? What does ford have that's like a ZR-1? What does ford have that's like a Grand Sport? What does ford have that's like a ZL1? What does ford have that's like a CTS-V? and on and on. Some of these do have answers, many do not.