2012 Veloster

[TaylorRyanSS]

I love the back end!

[Sweet Zness]

Originally Posted by DaBears

Shoes and a car are totally different. And by the way, new balance shoes are still made in the USA

Actually only a portion of their industry is made in America. You miss the point.

I don't mind the "buy american" people at all. Its just odd that 95 percent of what they buy and own is made over sea's. That most people who claim "buy american" usually are the same people looking to save a dime on anything else. Where are their dining sets made? Clothing? Kitchen appliances? HDTV's.

Again I don't mind the, buy American, crowd. I just is mind boggling those who lecture buy American, all while wearing shoes from Asia, wearing clothes made in Brazil or indonesia, watch their Korean made TV's, play their japanese made playstations and drink their imported coffee's.

[JamesNoBrakes]

Originally Posted by Sweet Zness

Actually only a portion of their industry is made in America. You miss the point.

I don't mind the "buy american" people at all. Its just odd that 95 percent of what they buy and own is made over sea's. That most people who claim "buy american" usually are the same people looking to save a dime on anything else. Where are their dining sets made? Clothing? Kitchen appliances? HDTV's.

Again I don't mind the, buy American, crowd. I just is mind boggling those who lecture buy American, all while wearing shoes from Asia, wearing clothes made in Brazil or indonesia, watch their Korean made TV's, play their japanese made playstations and drink their imported coffee's.

Especially when there are places that make things like furniture here, if you are lazy and just go to "big box stores", you won't find them, but there are plenty of quality things out there that can be had that are "made in america". Of course as you say, most of these people are the "do as I say, not as I do" type, and they do not show anywhere enough consistancy with their ideas to be telling anyone else to "buy american". I honestly liked the fact that my last japanese car was built in Japan and shipped here. That's what it's supposed to be, it's a big part of why I bought it. It isn't to say that I think American cars are bad (previous one was American, in addition to current), but there wasn't anything that American auto makers made that was even comparable to my last car, and I wanted it "done right" in that sense.

Here's my biggest problem with the "buy American" crowd, it breeds stagnation and kills competition, which ultimately causes the business to collapse. When you "don't buy" with any loyalty, but truely seek out the best product, it forces the other manufacturers to "up their game". In any business, the only real constant is change. You can never sit on your hands and just "churn out" thousands of widgets endlessly. God bless the unions, I AM a supporter of them, but the idea that someone can do the above job till they retire may not be realistic. A business must come up with NEW products and processes, continually seek out ways to be more efficient, find new markets to compete in and offer products in, provide new or different services, and so on. When they stagnate, it's what ultimately leads to a collapse, as someone with a better idea, process or product will undercut them. If this causes people to not "buy American", then it is something for American businesses and politicians to solve, with trade agreements and so on. The playing field of the entire WORLD is evening out right now. It is lopsided in many cases, yet there are manufacturers that are learning that it's cheaper to make things over here rather than ship them all over the world just for the purpose of assembly/fabrication, especially with rising fuel costs. Quality of life improving in China and other places raising costs, and so on. Ironically, it's usually the "Buy American" crowd that pretends to be in favor of capitalism and free markets, but they probably undercut their own country and businesses by sticking so hard to that ideal, to the point in some cases where the business collapses (this idea carried out by consumer groups, politicians trying to "protect" businesses, etc). In some cases, businesses have to die, it's a natural part of the cycle and not everyone can make it. There needs to be some sort of drive to improve and get better, stubborn loyalty isn't going to push them to do so. We are finally at a time IMO where we see US Automakers taking necessary steps to be competative. They had to be beat into submission to do so. It's lame though to knock someone elses decision to buy a car that is competative in it's segment.

[DaBears]

Originally Posted by Sweet Zness

Actually only a portion of their industry is made in America. You miss the point.

I don't mind the "buy american" people at all. Its just odd that 95 percent of what they buy and own is made over sea's. That most people who claim "buy american" usually are the same people looking to save a dime on anything else. Where are their dining sets made? Clothing? Kitchen appliances? HDTV's.

Again I don't mind the, buy American, crowd. I just is mind boggling those who lecture buy American, all while wearing shoes from Asia, wearing clothes made in Brazil or indonesia, watch their Korean made TV's, play their japanese made playstations and drink their imported coffee's.

Wrong, there are certain model New Balance shoes that use American leather and everything else needed to make the shoe. They are also assembled in America.

[DaBears]

Originally Posted by Sweet Zness

Actually only a portion of their industry is made in America. You miss the point.

I don't mind the "buy american" people at all. Its just odd that 95 percent of what they buy and own is made over sea's. That most people who claim "buy american" usually are the same people looking to save a dime on anything else. Where are their dining sets made? Clothing? Kitchen appliances? HDTV's.

Again I don't mind the, buy American, crowd. I just is mind boggling those who lecture buy American, all while wearing shoes from Asia, wearing clothes made in Brazil or indonesia, watch their Korean made TV's, play their japanese made playstations and drink their imported coffee's.

For what its worth I agree with you. Its pretty much impossible as a middle class American to buy EVERYTHING American made because of the cost. But you can certainly purchase American made products when possible, which is what i do.

I buy New Balance shoes and American cars. I wear Levi jeans and even tho they are "made" somewhere else, the profits stay here in America.

[cab2g]

I just realized the car as 3 doors.... that's actually a pretty good idea... looks like a coupe on one side, has the practicality of a sedan on the other side... I secretly like how that car looks. Still wouldn't buy a Hyundai though. I would rather buy from the big 3, followed by the German luxury brands... and if I can't find anything that I like from any of those manufacturers, then I suppose it's time for me to stop buying cars... haha.

[motorhead]

Not a bad looking car. Not my cup of Manduguk ,but hey what ever floats your boat.

They're supposed to be very reliable cars.

[T56LS102]

How do you like it so far?, can you post some pics of the Int.?

[Overflow]

I think it's cool how only one side of the car has two doors, while the other only has one.

[Silverlsinva]

Well its alright not too exciting imo, love it or hate design. I would rather have a Sonic hatchback turbo model gets 40mpg

[scrming]

Originally Posted by Overflow

I think it's cool how only one side of the car has two doors, while the other only has one.

Stole it from Saturn... LOL

[scottc]

I only wanted to share a pic or 2...not debate on buying American or not. Its my work car...i drive 250 miles a day and i wanted something that gets great mpg and is fun to drive wth all the latest electronic gizmos avail. And the Sonic is rated at 40 mpg but real world...i dont think so. The Veloster is rated at 40 mpg manual and 38 auto. But real world 34-37 depending how heavy your foot is.
I love the car and will probably get the turbo the end of this year.

[a_Username]

Disregarding the economists in this thread, the Veloster has grown on me. My only real problem is the slowness lol. But, I still think I'd take a Cruze over it though. Nice car anyways!

[Sweet Zness]

The Sonic = Chevy version of the Yaris. Its boring, plain and uninspiring. Wait did I say that about the Sonic or the Cavali.....errr Cruz. The Cruz is what happens when the cavalier finally evolved a little.