GM puts brake on rear-drive vehicles - Page 3

Rock36 · 04-14-2007, 01:29 PM

I wonder what that will do for the prices as well. If the Camaro is the only car under that platform, then there won't be as large of a supply of parts if they were mass producing them for several cars based on the Zeta platform.

Is this history repeating itself? Just when we are about to get some huge expansions in the modern muscle car (Challenger, Camaro, GTO, Mustangs) we are also getting hit by some stringent environmental regualations again.

Will the 2010s be like the 1970s?

*Mr. Wyndham* · 04-14-2007, 06:32 PM

Sure, with one exception, the Muscle car era hasn't even started yet! God, this depresses me...

Sick · 01-28-2008, 01:02 PM

Is a FWD?! What crap is that?

*TAG UR IT* · 01-28-2008, 01:08 PM

Yeah...read post 23. Some Monte Carlo talk in there.

Silverado · 01-28-2008, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sick

Is a FWD?! What crap is that?

The Monte (and it's platform mates...the Impala, the Grand Prix, the Bonneville, and don't be surprised if there are more, esp. in other world markets) has been a front driver for some time now....in fact, since it made it's "comeback". It's predecessor (here in the US anyway), the Lumina was FWD too.

*DGthe3* · 01-28-2008, 04:49 PM

The monte (and co) haven't been rear drive for about 20 years

Emher · 01-28-2008, 06:23 PM

Well that settles it. I'll just have to wait a while to study after getting a decent job. Because I WANT a RWD muscle car and with this there's a risk I might not get it new if I wait.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 01-28-2008, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emher

Well that settles it. I'll just have to wait a while to study after getting a decent job. Because I WANT a RWD muscle car and with this there's a risk I might not get it new if I wait.

Please...you've got nothing to worry about.

(But it would be nice to get it early!)

Emher · 01-29-2008, 04:17 AM

Well first off, studying will cost about half of what a Camaro will cost, just studying costs for two years, and to save that up will take at least two years so that's about four years right there. Then the business I want to get into isn't always the most financially secure (the film business) so it might take a while for me to be able to afford the Camaro. Say about two years there also at least. That's six years from now and that's definetly pushing it for this styling of the Camaro even if it becomes a success.

Damn I'd just like to win like 500k or something and I wouldn't have to put one choice on hold... -.-

Sick · 01-30-2008, 01:16 PM

I really liked the 2006-2007 Monte Carlo model, and the fact that it has a nice V8 in it impresses me too, but jesus - FWD? It just changes my whole perception. I dunno, maybe I'm too picky? How does everyone else feel?

*DGthe3* · 01-30-2008, 03:19 PM

I just find it amazing that they shoved a small block in sideways. I hate the NASCAR styling of the last monte carlos, the grand prix look far nicer, and to a lesser extent so does the Impala (though I'm not sure why on that). I don't know much about the last montes, other than they were a 2 door, front drive, with a v8 option

stovt001 · 01-30-2008, 11:11 PM

Yeah, V8 powered FWD just always seemed weird to me. I mean, it was weird ever since they tried it with the Toronado.

So people though the Monte was RWD this whole time? Heck if it was, I would have a bought a used V8 powered one a long time ago.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 01-30-2008, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stovt001

So people though the Monte was RWD this whole time? Heck if it was, I would have a bought a used V8 powered one a long time ago.

I found that rather intriguing this whole time as I read through.

Roflmao · 01-31-2008, 03:44 PM

To comment on the original post, I was at a Jaguar dealership yesterday talking to a friend of mine who works there and he explained the whole government regulations thing to me. According to him the regulations say the vehicle that a manufacturer sells the most of must get over 30mpg by 2008, this year, and they also did some tweaking as to how the actual measurement of gas milage is figured out to make it more accurate. So basically, all a manufacturer has to do is make sure the vehicle it sells the most of gets 30mpg or more. So for Ford, all they would do is flood the market with Focuses to meet the regulation, and then the Mustang would be free to do as it pleases. I'm not sure how future regulations are going to affect everything, I'll ask him about that next time I see him, but for right now it seems the Camaro and other RWD cars should be safe with the correct marketing by a manufacturer.

04-14-2007, 06:32 PM	#30
Mr. Wyndham I used to be Dragoneye... Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 31,873 View My Garage	Sure, with one exception, the Muscle car era hasn't even started yet! God, this depresses me... __________________ *"Keep the faith."* - Fbodfather

01-28-2008, 01:02 PM	#31
Sick Drives: Audi TT Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 75	2007 Monte Carlo Is a FWD?! What crap is that?

01-28-2008, 04:49 PM	#34
DGthe3 Moderator.ca Drives: 05 Grand Am GT Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Niagara, Canada Posts: 25,366	The monte (and co) haven't been rear drive for about 20 years __________________ Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them __________________ Originally Posted by FbodFather My sister's dentist's brother's cousin's housekeeper's dog-breeder's nephew sells coffee filters to the company that provides coffee to General Motors...... ........and HE WOULD KNOW!!!! __________________ Camaro Fest sub-forum

01-30-2008, 03:19 PM	#39
DGthe3 Moderator.ca Drives: 05 Grand Am GT Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Niagara, Canada Posts: 25,366	I just find it amazing that they shoved a small block in sideways. I hate the NASCAR styling of the last monte carlos, the grand prix look far nicer, and to a lesser extent so does the Impala (though I'm not sure why on that). I don't know much about the last montes, other than they were a 2 door, front drive, with a v8 option __________________ Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them __________________ Originally Posted by FbodFather My sister's dentist's brother's cousin's housekeeper's dog-breeder's nephew sells coffee filters to the company that provides coffee to General Motors...... ........and HE WOULD KNOW!!!! __________________ Camaro Fest sub-forum

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04-14-2007, 01:29 PM	#29
Rock36 I just like V8s Drives: 2007 Corvette Z06 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Stuttgart, Germany Posts: 919	I wonder what that will do for the prices as well. If the Camaro is the only car under that platform, then there won't be as large of a supply of parts if they were mass producing them for several cars based on the Zeta platform. Is this history repeating itself? Just when we are about to get some huge expansions in the modern muscle car (Challenger, Camaro, GTO, Mustangs) we are also getting hit by some stringent environmental regualations again. Will the 2010s be like the 1970s?

01-28-2008, 01:08 PM	#32
TAG UR IT www.Camaro5store.com Drives: 2014 ZL1 #705 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: SA, Texas Posts: 26,544 View My Garage	Yeah...read post 23. Some Monte Carlo talk in there.

01-28-2008, 06:23 PM	#35
Emher Pillaging Viking Drives: Saab 9-5 '99 (Hey it's a GM!) Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,189	Well that settles it. I'll just have to wait a while to study after getting a decent job. Because I WANT a RWD muscle car and with this there's a risk I might not get it new if I wait.

01-29-2008, 04:17 AM	#37
Emher Pillaging Viking Drives: Saab 9-5 '99 (Hey it's a GM!) Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,189	Well first off, studying will cost about half of what a Camaro will cost, just studying costs for two years, and to save that up will take at least two years so that's about four years right there. Then the business I want to get into isn't always the most financially secure (the film business) so it might take a while for me to be able to afford the Camaro. Say about two years there also at least. That's six years from now and that's definetly pushing it for this styling of the Camaro even if it becomes a success. Damn I'd just like to win like 500k or something and I wouldn't have to put one choice on hold... -.-

01-30-2008, 01:16 PM	#38
Sick Drives: Audi TT Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 75	I really liked the 2006-2007 Monte Carlo model, and the fact that it has a nice V8 in it impresses me too, but jesus - FWD? It just changes my whole perception. I dunno, maybe I'm too picky? How does everyone else feel?

01-30-2008, 11:11 PM	#40
stovt001 Drives: 2006 Cobalt, 2004 Taurus wagon Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: California Posts: 3,810	Yeah, V8 powered FWD just always seemed weird to me. I mean, it was weird ever since they tried it with the Toronado. So people though the Monte was RWD this whole time? Heck if it was, I would have a bought a used V8 powered one a long time ago.

01-31-2008, 03:44 PM	#42
Roflmao Insane Assylum Escapee Drives: 1998 Camry Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 198	To comment on the original post, I was at a Jaguar dealership yesterday talking to a friend of mine who works there and he explained the whole government regulations thing to me. According to him the regulations say the vehicle that a manufacturer sells the most of must get over 30mpg by 2008, this year, and they also did some tweaking as to how the actual measurement of gas milage is figured out to make it more accurate. So basically, all a manufacturer has to do is make sure the vehicle it sells the most of gets 30mpg or more. So for Ford, all they would do is flood the market with Focuses to meet the regulation, and then the Mustang would be free to do as it pleases. I'm not sure how future regulations are going to affect everything, I'll ask him about that next time I see him, but for right now it seems the Camaro and other RWD cars should be safe with the correct marketing by a manufacturer.