More Competition is coming....

[gelboy1015]

I test drove a Genesis 2.0 Turbo R-Spec with the Track Package and 6 spd once for giggles. It wasn't fast (at least compared to the Camaro), but I liked how it handled around curves. Everything was tight and I felt comfortable taking corners. They aren't bad at all, and I'd like to see where they go if they do put a V8 in them.

[4DoorRocket]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

...well, both the sedan and coupe versions of the genesis sold a total of 3000 units last month...I can't determine how many were coupes/sedans, but in either case that's a small fraction of the number of vehicles Ford and Chevy sold, each. Vehicles it attempts to compete against in the marketplace...In fact, it's even less than the number of Challengers sold last month.

That's why I consider it a failure in the marketplace.

But you're right - the rest of what I posted was my opinion.

I don't consider it a failure at all. If you factor in brand loyalty, perception and production amount, I consider it a success. Ford, Chevy and Dodge have all been around for basically forever. Over those years, they have built a reputation among those years, whether it be because of quality or because they liked the style of cars they built (muscle cars).

Unlike the "big 3" , Hyundai has been plagued by perception issues. Everyone looks at Hyundai and associates them with poor quality and poorly built. Over these last few years, they have worked incredibly hard on changing this perception and have done very well...but still have work to do.

Production is another thing I would like to briefly discuss. It all comes down to how large the company is, what the needs of the dealers are, what the people want (loyalty) and perception. So it's really no surprise that these three sold more. Hyundai is a growing company who is trying to change their image.

Overall, what they are doing, is a success...because if not, they wouldn't be around anymore. One can only be bad for so long before it all falls apart.

[4DoorRocket]

Originally Posted by gelboy1015

I test drove a Genesis 2.0 Turbo R-Spec with the Track Package and 6 spd once for giggles. It wasn't fast (at least compared to the Camaro), but I liked how it handled around curves. Everything was tight and I felt comfortable taking corners. They aren't bad at all, and I'd like to see where they go if they do put a V8 in them.

You're comparing a 210 horsepower car to a 420+ horsepower car...

Of course it wouldn't be that fast. It wouldn't even be considered fast if it were compared to the v6 camaro. The 2013 genesis will obviously be quicker.

[JoshBobGuptaMarley]

We all know how sexy a man in a hyundai can be.....

[jandaseve]

How much torque will a 450 hp hyundai have? Im thinking lack of torque will be the problem.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by 4DoorRocket

I don't consider it a failure at all. If you factor in brand loyalty, perception and production amount, I consider it a success. Ford, Chevy and Dodge have all been around for basically forever. Over those years, they have built a reputation among those years, whether it be because of quality or because they liked the style of cars they built (muscle cars).

Unlike the "big 3" , Hyundai has been plagued by perception issues. Everyone looks at Hyundai and associates them with poor quality and poorly built. Over these last few years, they have worked incredibly hard on changing this perception and have done very well...but still have work to do.

Production is another thing I would like to briefly discuss. It all comes down to how large the company is, what the needs of the dealers are, what the people want (loyalty) and perception. So it's really no surprise that these three sold more. Hyundai is a growing company who is trying to change their image.

Overall, what they are doing, is a success...because if not, they wouldn't be around anymore. One can only be bad for so long before it all falls apart.

They aren't selling hardly any...that's all I meant, and I didn't intend to take it any further than that.

hyundai can crawl back into the hole in the ground for all I care, to be honest. So you can see how I'm not predisposed to giving them every benefit of the doubt....

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by 4DoorRocket

Unlike the "big 3" , Hyundai has been plagued by perception issues. Everyone looks at Hyundai and associates them with poor quality and poorly built. Over these last few years, they have worked incredibly hard on changing this perception and have done very well...but still have work to do.

Isn't that the exact same story for GM/Chrysler? Personally, I don't ever see Hyundai being a major competitor in this segment.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

...well, both the sedan and coupe versions of the genesis sold a total of 3000 units last month...I can't determine how many were coupes/sedans, but in either case that's a small fraction of the number of vehicles Ford and Chevy sold, each. Vehicles it attempts to compete against in the marketplace...In fact, it's even less than the number of Challengers sold last month.

That's why I consider it a failure in the marketplace.

But you're right - the rest of what I posted was my opinion.

You can't compare Hyundai's sales figures to GM's, Fords, or Chryslers. . . The question you should be asking yourself is not how many Genesis' they sold, but did they profit from those sales? Compare the profitability of Porsche in 2007 to that of GM, then take a look at the sales figures. Corvette sales alone probably damn near eclipsed sales figures across every Porsche model. Which one was more successful? Well one was bringing in over $20,000 in profit on the average sale and one declared bankruptcy fifteen months later.

[Xmicro_SS]

It is a Feakin' Hyundai! If any of you were alive back in 86' when they came out with the xcel or excel, you would understand.


Kids today!

[den318]

Originally Posted by Xmicro_SS

It is a Feakin' Hyundai! If any of you were alive back in 86' when they came out with the xcel or excel, you would understand.


Kids today!

I still remember the 60s HP Excel. That is one of the biggest POS car. This is not the 80s or 90s anymore. The Hyundai of the last few years are very nice and reliable cars. I will buy a V8 Genesis if it is faster, cheaper and handle better than a Camaro. You guy must have forgot how crappy and unreliable American cars are in the 80s or 90s as well. Honda and Toyota rules back in the day. American and Korean cars are just as reliable as Japanese car now.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by den318

I still remember the 60s HP Excel. That is one of the biggest POS car. This is not the 80s or 90s anymore. The Hyundai of the last few years are very nice and reliable cars. I will buy a V8 Genesis if it is faster, cheaper and handle better than a Camaro. You guy must have forgot how crappy and unreliable American cars are in the 80s or 90s as well. Honda and Toyota rules back in the day. American and Korean cars are just as reliable as Japanese car now.

Other than the paint which everybody went through, I had very little problems with any American made car I had in the 80's and 90's. You just had to buy the right car or truck.

[den318]

Originally Posted by motorhead

Other than the paint which everybody went through, I had very little problems with any American made car I had in the 80's and 90's. You just had to buy the right car or truck.

What's the right car? I know in the 80s and 90s, you can just buy any Honda or Toyota and they will be way better/more reliable than the American equivalent. Anyway, i think Hyundai have improved very very much in the last few years. Judging them by how they are in the 80s is just retarded and being a fanboy.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

You can't compare Hyundai's sales figures to GM's, Fords, or Chryslers. . . The question you should be asking yourself is not how many Genesis' they sold, but did they profit from those sales? Compare the profitability of Porsche in 2007 to that of GM, then take a look at the sales figures. Corvette sales alone probably damn near eclipsed sales figures across every Porsche model. Which one was more successful? Well one was bringing in over $20,000 in profit on the average sale and one declared bankruptcy fifteen months later.

With respect...you're going to tell me I can't compare the sales figures of hyundai to Ford or GM.....and then turn around and use Porche and GM as an example??

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

With respect...you're going to tell me I can't compare the sales figures of hyundai to Ford or GM.....and then turn around and use Porche and GM as an example??

Uh, yes exactly. You were suggesting that sales figures dictate success or failure and I used two extremes to make a counter point. If you don't know Hyundai's sales projections or profit margin on each car, their sales figures don't tell you anything about how successful the model is.