Joe Pa ............. Thoughts........

[PQ]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

ok, i haven't really been following this case, except from this thread...

let me get this straight, Mike McQueary is the one that saw an act of rape with his own two eyes. He tells Paterno, Paterno tells his boss. Paterno gets the heat and fired and McQueary is now coaching this sunday? Am I missing something here? Why the F isn't McQueary not fired? WTF?

Yup. Pretty pathetic.

Originally Posted by ssump29

Well too late for that esp as far as my company goes. And being at the top I was told the less you go around getting involved in things that have no bearing on you the less you can being held accountable and charge for things that you didn't even do. Be involved in the major things but limit my liability on things that didn't directly involve me, never jump into something unless you have to is what I was told and how I operate and thus far its been the correct method.

I just feel there should have been more outrage from Joe. Either at McQueary if he was making it up, or at Sandusky. And by outrage I mean making sure and following up.

Originally Posted by rmpackers

Wow, sexist as well as ill informed. YOU said this topic was not about football in YOUR first post, that is why YOU changed it to another thread. It is NOT about football, and God forbid YOU learn something along the way!

You totaly missed the joke. Why did you you delete my 'LOL'?

I read that as a daycare administrator accusing society of putting football over rape. And I made a joke insinuating that she'd have brought football into anything.

Yes, this has nothing to do with football. And I learn stuff all the time. I'm not afraid to admit when I'm wrong either. Done it plenty of times on here.

Apperently you read my post wrong. Or I typed it wrong.

Originally Posted by ssump29

And again what my real point is, is that Joe should just had to make sure McQueary went to the police not take it upon himself to go to them. The less people involved the better that way the story comes out accurate and not differing everytime is told, which seems to happen when recalling what someone else report to you.

Problem is he didn't do either. Neither make McQeary go to the police or go himself or make sure the school did.

[ssump29]

Originally Posted by TurboTA

I've held people in my community accountable every day for the last 20 yrs and very few of them are in the public eye. Any other comments about my thoughts?

No I wasn't speaking bad just was hoping you avid about these things all the time and not just now. That's great. Everyone just needs to stop placing blame on someone that doesn't deserve it considering he didn't commit these acts.

There's no need or time for blame when only one person is to blame and thats Sandusky. If he is going to commit the act no amount of preventation is gonna stop him until hes dead or locked away with the key tossed.

I don't know why it makes people feel better to have to blame someone else as if such things can be stopped, sorry we live in a world where its going to happen no matter what, the best thing we can do is just protect our loved ones as much as we can and hope god watches over them when not in our presence.

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by TurboTA

I'll bet that Paterno's recollection of the story the GA told him and the GA's version will differ significantly. Joe had already laid the groundwork with his vagueness in the grand jury report.

Originally Posted by PQ

Yup. Pretty pathetic.

I just feel there should have been more outrage from Joe. Either at McQueary if he was making it up, or at Sandusky. And by outrage I mean making sure and following up.

You totaly missed the joke. Why did you you delete my 'LOL'?

I read that as a daycare administrator accusing society of putting football over rape. And I made a joke insinuating that she'd have brought football into anything.

Yes, this has nothing to do with football. And I learn stuff all the time. I'm not afraid to admit when I'm wrong either. Done it plenty of times on here.

Apperently you read my post wrong. Or I typed it wrong.

Problem is he didn't do either. Neither make McQeary go to the police or go himself or make sure the school did.

Wow, it took like 5 minutes for you guys to jump back on the Paterno hate train.

He and everyone else that knew about it... right?

[TurboTA]

Originally Posted by GTAHVIT

Wow, it took like 5 minutes for you guys to jump back on the Paterno hate train.

He and everyone else that knew about it... right?

Paterno is the title of the thread. If someone makes a Sandusky or McQueary only thread it will be open season, just not as sensationalized. Comes with the territory.

[ssump29]

Originally Posted by PQ

Yup. Pretty pathetic.

I just feel there should have been more outrage from Joe. Either at McQueary if he was making it up, or at Sandusky. And by outrage I mean making sure and following up.

You totaly missed the joke. Why did you you delete my 'LOL'?

I read that as a daycare administrator accusing society of putting football over rape. And I made a joke insinuating that she'd have brought football into anything.

Yes, this has nothing to do with football. And I learn stuff all the time. I'm not afraid to admit when I'm wrong either. Done it plenty of times on here.

Apperently you read my post wrong. Or I typed it wrong.

Problem is he didn't do either. Neither make McQeary go to the police or go himself or make sure the school did.

Agreed. I wasn't really ever disagreeing with you just guess I see things different on how much I'm willing to hold someone accountable. Legally Joe PA not wrong, Morally its debatable and no real answer giving what an individual believes.

[nyrfan]

Originally Posted by ssump29

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Agreed. I wasn't really ever disagreeing with you just guess I see things different on how much I'm willing to hold someone accountable. Legally Joe PA not wrong, Morally its debatable and no real answer giving what an individual believes.

I am far from the most moral person on this earth, but I 100% disagree with this. IMO, if you have knowledge of a helpless child being abuse, you are morally obligated to not only report it but f/u and ensure there is action being taken. And this comes from someone that does not have kids.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by ssump29

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Agreed. I wasn't really ever disagreeing with you just guess I see things different on how much I'm willing to hold someone accountable. Legally Joe PA not wrong, Morally its debatable and no real answer giving what an individual believes.

Oh. Agreed 100%

We'll disagree on the amount of moral responsibility but such is life.

The biggest prblems here were the two above Joe and McQueary.

Metioning the top problem goes without saying. Sandusky should recieve the death penalty.

[TurboTA]

Originally Posted by ssump29

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Agreed. I wasn't really ever disagreeing with you just guess I see things different on how much I'm willing to hold someone accountable. Legally Joe PA not wrong, Morally its debatable and no real answer giving what an individual believes.

Do you believe he (or anyone else) didn't have a moral obligation? If you read the yahoo story that I linked earlier, the moral part might be the least of their worries.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by GTAHVIT

Wow, it took like 5 minutes for you guys to jump back on the Paterno hate train.

He and everyone else that knew about it... right?

It is the topic of the thread.

I suppose you could go start a Mike McQueary and Penn St. administration thread.

[2ndgenz28]

Thiking more why didn't Mike McQueary Dad do anything when he told him?

They need to check that family out.

[ssump29]

Originally Posted by TurboTA

Do you believe he (or anyone else) didn't have a moral obligation? If you read the yahoo story that I linked earlier, the moral part might be the least of their worries.

Reason why its debatable is simply because at the time he could have felt that his morals were correct with sending the information he recieved up the chain and believing they would work it out. Does that make him morally wrong?!? and without having hindsight you can't answer that question.

What about all the people that had information on terrorist and reported to who they were suppose to and the people that handle the information found nothing to go on and dropped the ball on it, are the people that had the information morally wrong or to blame for an attack that occured and they didn't personally stop it or raise a bigger fuss because the people that handle those situations didn't take the information seriously. Really think about what you are saying and apply it to a similar situation and take the emotion out of it simplying because its child abuse.

Point is some things can't be controlled and you can't say someone is morally wrong because you don't agree with how they handled something. And you can't place a higher blame on one or another person simply because you feel like it, esp when they didn't do anything wrong. He didn't touch these kids, so why is he getting heat as if he did. And don't give me the same tired line he didn't stop it and he could have because YOU DON'T know that. No one stopped it so if you want to place blame it should all be equal.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by 2ndgenz28

Thiking more why didn't Mike McQueary Dad do anything when he told him?

They need to check that family out.

OH, there is a number of people who are suspect here.

Sanduskys wife for one. They took kids with them on bowl trips on at least two occasions.

[ssump29]

Originally Posted by 2ndgenz28

Thiking more why didn't Mike McQueary Dad do anything when he told him?

They need to check that family out.

His dad gets a pass because he's not Joe Pa and is essentially a nobody with no public name that's why according to how everyone here is speaking.
lmao

[ssump29]

Originally Posted by PQ

OH, there is a number of people who are suspect here.

Sanduskys wife for one. They took kids with them on bowl trips on at least two occasions.

Exactly, how the hell couldn't she not see that he liked little boys.

Mannnn and people say Michael Jackson was bad, at least Michael was just weird and harmless this guy takes the cake and them pie coming out of the oven.