GM SALES UP...... STOCK 33% DOWN

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by MisterCamaro69

Daimler is down ~20%
Volks AG ~20%
Honda ~20%

If you ignore the global economy and want to bash GM for being down big, well, bigots are not found out only through racial comments.

Come on a GM biased website and comment about it being down... fine.
After seeing that EVERYONE is down and still defending your post...
Bigot. Troll. Troublemaker.
You choose.

Doesn't really work that way man. Although I'm likely on your ignore list, I'll take the time to explain something to you anyway, maybe Fen and some others will benefit from reality instead of cheerleading. Yes, everyone is down right now, almost across the entire market, but there's a key difference and I'll explain it for you.

VOW

VOW, before this mass market selloff due to the debt crisis and investor confidence being crushed, just hit a 52wk high after extremely bullish 1yr and YTD performance. Comparatively, since GM's IPO in November 2010, VOW is still UP over 10% even after this selloff.



HMC

HMC recovered nicely from the massive bear trend following the devastating tsunami in Japan. Pre-selloff HMC's YTD performance was fairly green with great 1yr gains. Again when referencing GM's IPO as a starting point(Nov 2010), HMC is nearly completely even after the selloff, not red, and was very green before the selloff.



DAI

Again, using GM's IPO as a starting reference-point, before the selloff DAI was slightly green. YTD performance just very slightly green, but not looking great. DAI is likely your best example. However, 1yr performance is great, hugely green. DAI also saw the worst impact from the massive global selloff.



GM

GM has been trading in a bearish channel since February after the lovely buying frenzy in late 2010. The most positive thing about this chart is that it has been impacted the least by the mass market selloff, but it was looking unfortunately bearish already.



You see where your statement doesn't hold water? Some of the scaling is different in each chart to make trends more apparent, so keep that in mind. DAI and HMC's scales make some movements seem more dramatic. GM isn't down 30+% since IPO because of the massive selling in the market; It is down about 6-7% as a direct result of the selloff. GM was already down about 20% since IPO before this frantic selling began, at which time all of the other companies you referenced were either green, showing bullish trends, or even since GM's IPO, not red.

[Mr Twisty]

Excellent work.

I didn't concern myself with the "why" so much as the "how much" but to be fair we should throw 'F' in as well since it was the main comparison in the first place. The German companies probably followed the euro strength much closer than the dollar, Japanese companies have had their continent issues as well that didn't effect us as much.

I think even you will agree the OP just wanted to pick a fight.

[TOBY J]

Originally Posted by MisterCamaro69

Excellent work.

I didn't concern myself with the "why" so much as the "how much" but to be fair we should throw 'F' in as well since it was the main comparison in the first place. The German companies probably followed the euro strength much closer than the dollar, Japanese companies have had their continent issues as well that didn't effect us as much.

I think even you will agree the OP just wanted to pick a fight.

Sir you just don't get it, that's sad.
I asked a LEGIT question and now it's been answered intelligently by 8CD03GRO. I agree 100% with what he stated, get to know the difference between cheerleading and reality!

Have a great week





FYI he just gave you the FORD scenario in a previous post, it's obviously different than that of GM- PLEASE READ

Ford is down because Ford had a buying frenzy through 2009-2010 that artificially inflated it's PPS. The market adjusted and put it at a more realistic PPS with a noticable decrease congruent to the direction of the general market. However, Ford's drop is from a 10 yr high while GM's is from an IPO after bankruptcy and restructuring by the Fed. Did you know Ford still has a higher Market Cap than GM at this very moment? GM should never have bumped the IPO PPS to $33. It was a bad move when you're trying to improve investor confidence, sorry if you disagree, but that's a fact.


Pick a fight???? I'll say it again "it's the internet" and a "forum" it's for discussions about ideas-opinions etc you don't win anything for being right or wrong.

I even wrote that I was thinking of buying the GM stock at $25 in a previous post in this thread. I thought this might be the value point to get in at.
I don't drink the KOOL AID from any company without investigating and I surely don't listen to the media or the current administration for any financial information!

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by MisterCamaro69

Excellent work.

I didn't concern myself with the "why" so much as the "how much" but to be fair we should throw 'F' in as well since it was the main comparison in the first place. The German companies probably followed the euro strength much closer than the dollar, Japanese companies have had their continent issues as well that didn't effect us as much.

I think even you will agree the OP just wanted to pick a fight.

Yes, I understand where you're coming from with that. I'm not sure he necessarily wanted to start an argument, but I've never read any of his previous posts.

Unfortunately for GM, any bearish trends will scare prospective investors much more than most similar stocks because a lot of the current and prospective investors just recently lost a ton of money in Old GM.

As far as F is concerned, that's a good point. F has been in a slide since Jan 2011. However, this slide is from a high of nearly 10 years. Since early 2009, F made an astounding %1,500 increase in PPS to a somewhat inflated valuation. The pullback was imminent imo.

[derklug]

Rising commodities bodes ill for automakers profit...pps goes down, ecomomy not in the recovery that was hoped for...pps goes down. If commodities go down, it would signal lack of demand...pps goes down. Unemployment numbers above 9%... pps goes down. Much more goes into stock prices than company quarterly performance. Uncertain futures makes the market skittish and any news is a reason to panic.

[8cd03gro]

If you're looking to get into the market, wait. Nothing is a good investment right now. This trend is going to continue through the week. The confidence in gold is very scary as it shows a lack of confidence in the market that has not been seen in my lifetime. I hope everyone got out of their major investments in the past few weeks. I am a daytrader, so I am still trading a bit in the blue chips, but most of my capital is sitting in my brokerage account untouched or in GLD, but I'm even about to pull out of that and wait out the storm. Some real, real scary stuff going on right now and I wish you all good luck.

[TOBY J]

Originally Posted by TOBY J

AGREE 100% and I posted this when the IPO came out on GM and got flamed by guys buying it.

You wanna make $$$$ over the next 12 months buy FORD at $10.50 ......... very undervalued

Up to $12.70 per share on F ...... JUST FYI
also hope you guys jumped on GM at $20 2 weeks ago
the price is at $25 today and heading to $30 before the end of the year!